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2011/04/01 09:47:45 (permalink)

Perfect Space On A Bus

Can anybody tell me what I should set the Dry and Wet on Perfect Space when inserting as a bus effect?
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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 10:35:18 (permalink)
The default is reverb down by 9.6 dB, I think.  Something like that.  It is a good starting place.  But of course the song determines how much reverb is needed.  I've gone for 50/50% to - 15 dB or less.  As with most reverbs and effects, it is best to add enough where you actually hear it, then back off until you don't.  Then disable the effect and see if you hear a difference.

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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 11:35:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Can anybody tell me what I should set the Dry and Wet on Perfect Space when inserting as a bus effect?
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Insert? You mean put on a bus presumably and not in-line.. 100%wet. The bus and/or track sends do the wet lelvel.

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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 11:47:01 (permalink)
If it's on a buss being fed by aux sends it should be set to 100% wet (kill the dry)
 
In general any effect in a buss being fed by auxs needs to be 100% wet, the dry signal is only needed if an effect is inserted in a direct signal flow path (ie in a channel or a buss that's being used as a buss (as opposed to as an Aux return).
 
I've still not fully decided what the 'best' way to do it is but you have a couple of options.
 
There is an 'auto volume' button (which I, perhaps irrationally, don't trust, because I don't really know what it does!) So I tend to turn that off.
 
What I've noted though is that if you set the wet to unity 0db gain you don't need a lot of send to get a lot of signal back out ouf PS. So I tend to adjust the wet return from PS down so that I can wind up the send fader to the point where it gives me just a bit too much verb at unity (because the send control has a finer resolution in that range). YMMV Child
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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 14:18:09 (permalink)
IR files are just audio recordings, and like any set of wave files there is no standardization or consistency in volume. "Auto Gain"'s stated purpose is to compensate for differences between IR levels so that you can audition different reverb effects without having to adjust levels each time you switch between them.

I don't really trust it either (how do you normalize a shifting envelope of white noise?) but it doesn't seem to hurt anything so I leave it on. I'm still going to tweak each IR to taste anyway.

To the topic: my method with PS on a bus is to turn off the dry signal by clicking off the enable button and then setting the wet level fairly high so it's louder than I will actually need.  I adjust the actual reverb volume with a combination of track send levels, track send automation, and usually a bus volume envelope.




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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 19:52:48 (permalink)
If it's on a buss being fed by aux sends it should be set to 100% wet (kill the dry)
 
In general any effect in a buss being fed by auxs needs to be 100% wet, the dry signal is only needed if an effect is inserted in a direct signal flow path (ie in a channel or a buss that's being used as a buss (as opposed to as an Aux return).
I find it surpising that many reverbs don't default to wet.  Aren't reverbs mainly meant to be used on buses most of the time?  It's annoying when you try different presets and the dry-wet setting keeps changing and doesn't stay on 100%.

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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 20:15:57 (permalink)
i noticed in my files there are a lot of settings for perfect space..but when i load it as a vst there are only like 5 settings..how do i access all those settings?

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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/01 21:56:31 (permalink)
Are you talking about all the IR files? If you click on the folder icon at the top of PS's interface, it will open up a browser to select an IR to load.


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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/02 17:45:55 (permalink)
A lot of times people will put a reverb on a bus - not via a send but bus to master.  I usually have PS on the vox bus.  You need the " mix"  knob to balance the amount of reverb.  Most often (PS is an execption - but it uses separate dry and wet  knobs) the reverb is set to %100, which is why many reverbs sound bad.  Not bad, but just too much.  On a traditional send that works, but on a thru bus not so good (or in the channel fx).

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Re:Perfect Space On A Bus 2011/04/02 21:06:32 (permalink)
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A lot of times people will put a reverb on a bus - not via a send but bus to master.  I usually have PS on the vox bus.  You need the " mix"  knob to balance the amount of reverb.  Most often (PS is an execption - but it uses separate dry and wet  knobs) the reverb is set to %100, which is why many reverbs sound bad.  Not bad, but just too much.  On a traditional send that works, but on a thru bus not so good (or in the channel fx).


Someone mentioned a difference in in-line vs send-to bus. I had not thought about it like this but controlling in-line wet/dry could, depending on how a given effect does that mix, be a highbred of pre-fader and post fader send. 'Pre-fader the verb remains constant while track adjustments move in and out of the effect (don't use that option much myself.
'Post fader they both move together, the wet/dry mix is a constant
In-line might be track fades as the effect rises and vise versa.
Not huge but something I want to log in'.
 
One thing's clear, a wet/dry automation span of +/- 5-10% or what ever at the bottom of the track view is a royal pain to dial in. Much rather ride a send or the bus.
 
Anyway, there's something to be said for the methodology (for example) 'these are my track levels re the rest of the mix, and riding the verb' is another entity. Or at least maybe just knowing the difference is good to go.
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