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2011/09/06 17:09:19 (permalink)

Perfect Space Presets?

Hello, When I click on 'file menu' in order to load an impulse file, my documents file opens up. Is that supposed to happen? This is the fist attempt I'm making at using PS, I've been using the Sonitus verb will good results until now, on this particular vocal, it's just not fitting the part. Thanks for any pointers.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 17:28:13 (permalink)
    it's just the default, as the first time; browse to the files (\Vstplugins\Perfect Space) the plug should remember from then on

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 17:33:14 (permalink)
    Under the preset button is an icon of a piece of paper with the upper right hand corner folded over. Double click on this and your presets should appear.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 17:46:06 (permalink)
    Thanks, I browsed to the perf sp. file and now it's working. Why don't the presets open up within the plugin like all the others?

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 17:46:39 (permalink)
    you won't have presets until you make them.  Otherwise, just open the impulses.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 18:22:24 (permalink)
    you guys share a cat?

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 18:37:58 (permalink)
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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 22:27:50 (permalink)
    I'm unfamiliar with convo. reverbs, I gues when I said presets I really meant impulses (i think). What's an impulse? BTW, we're the inter-galactic-synth-cats, there's a few of us floating around the forum. That Sputnik dog's got nothin' on us :-)

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 23:04:46 (permalink)
    An impulse is the file made of a space or from a piece of gear. It is created by using a sharp loud sound and recording the reverberations. A plugin like Perfect Space takes that and using a lot of math use it to apply it as a space to the signal coming into it.

    The idea is that a convolution reverb can reconstruct the space the impulse was recorded in. It has the notion that its a "real" space not something that is based on springs and echo chambers. In other words with an impulse file and a convolution reverb you give the signal the acoustic space of the room or place it was derived from.

    It does work. But so do other type of reverb.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/06 23:20:47 (permalink)
    And a synth.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/07 00:32:17 (permalink)
    Thanks for the explanation John, it seems like an acoustic fingerprint of a space.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/07 00:46:49 (permalink)
    it seems like an acoustic fingerprint of a space.
    Thats exactly right. I wish I had thought of that wording.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/07 07:35:03 (permalink)

    IRs are associated with physical spaces or locations if they are IRs that represent locations or physical spaces.

    You can have an I.R. of a physical space. For example; an echo chamber.

    You may also use an I.R. of an electrical circuit.  For example; a spring.

    You can make and use I.R.s of any acoustic space or any analog electrical sound circuit. 



    "Convolution" is a mathematical process. It has many uses.




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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 01:09:32 (permalink)
    Hi Mike, thanks for the info. What does the R in I.R. stand for? I've been using P.S. quite a bit today. I just tried to automate it and it didn't respond, there is no "Write" button on it (or solo). Can this plugin be automated? Thanks.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 15:43:40 (permalink)
    Hello, is Perfect Space "automate-able" thanks.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 15:48:15 (permalink)
    IR = Impulse Response.

    I usually automate by hand editing envelopes... and although I've never done it I always assumed you can have an envelope for any parameter within Perfect Space.

    I don't really know why you weren't able to write automation.

    Perhaps you can try after setting up an envelope manually?

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 16:06:53 (permalink)
    I tried to control the wet level w/ automation to lower it at a part of the song where the instruments dropout and where the verb on the vocal is too apparent and doesn't sound right (the verb works nicely in the mix otherwise). I clicked the "W" on the buss to write the automation, but PS does not respond or acknowledge the armed automation. I then clicked the dropdown arrow on the buss output and selected Automation>PS>Wet Gain, and PS still did not respond. How do you arm PS for automation? Thanks.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 18:00:03 (permalink)
    I had this very same problem yesterday with PS with exactly the same scenario that you describe. I finally gave up and used a Sonitus reverb even though it wasn't quite as suitable as the impulse in PS. I wish CW or Voxengo would add this feature to PS.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 18:03:13 (permalink)
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    I tried to control the wet level w/ automation to lower it at a part of the song where the instruments dropout and where the verb on the vocal is too apparent and doesn't sound right (the verb works nicely in the mix otherwise). I clicked the "W" on the buss to write the automation, but PS does not respond or acknowledge the armed automation. I then clicked the dropdown arrow on the buss output and selected Automation>PS>Wet Gain, and PS still did not respond. How do you arm PS for automation? Thanks.


    Use a send and automate the fader of the aux.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 18:17:15 (permalink)
    Now that's using your hat-rack! Thanks John. (though that only solves volume and/or panning automation issues, there are other aspects of the reverb that one may wish to automate). thanks again.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 19:41:06 (permalink)
    I had thought of John's idea, and a good one it it. But, as you say, I like to play with diffusion, and the balance between the wet and dry mix. I like PS enough that I think it would be worth while for someone to develop it a bit more.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 19:55:27 (permalink)
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    I had thought of John's idea, and a good one it it. But, as you say, I like to play with diffusion, and the balance between the wet and dry mix. I like PS enough that I think it would be worth while for someone to develop it a bit more.


    I doubt that will happen as far as it being developed. Pristine Space is its big brother and is a Voxengo product. they haven't done anything to it so what will happen to perfect space is anyone's guess.

    For the wet dry mix that is what the send idea is for. Its a common way to use a reverb. Put the reverb on an aux buss and send to that buss. You can control to a precise amount the send lever and the out level of the processed signal on the aux buss while at the same time outputting a dry signal to the master buss from the audio track.

    As to automating other parameters well you can but the above technique is often enough. Then automating a convolution reverb may cause problems because of the processing that has to be done. They are not simple plugins internally. 
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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/08 23:58:21 (permalink)
    Yes, a fine work around. But, not as convenient as having automated parameters, no?

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:01:47 (permalink)
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    Yes, a fine work around. But, not as convenient as having automated parameters, no?


    For level its not a work around. Its the normal way a reverb is used.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:05:56 (permalink)
    It may be normal to you, but it's not normal to me. It seems somewhat convoluted by adding so many busses to a mix.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:11:12 (permalink)
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    It may be normal to you, but it's not normal to me. It seems somewhat convoluted by adding so many busses to a mix.


    LOL that is funny. What do you think an auxiliary buss is for?

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:14:20 (permalink)
    I know what busses are for, John. I don't thing you grok my meaning, but that's OK. I know you are dithering between threads right now, and I feel for you.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:18:03 (permalink)
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    I know what busses are for, John. I don't thing you grok my meaning, but that's OK. I know you are dithering between threads right now, and I feel for you.


    OK I'll bite what do you mean? I am interested. By the way don't take my curt manner as being disrespectful. It isn't. I am by nature blunt.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:25:44 (permalink)
    What I mean is: you're offering elegant solutions to the OP's and my problem. Yet, your work arounds suggest more work than having automatable parameters withing Perfect Space. More time consuming, and not solving the issue of being able to automate certain parameters that I like, such as diffusion, early reflections, room size, etc. You're probably right that PS will be neglected which is sad because it's a nice program.

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    Re:Perfect Space Presets? 2011/09/09 00:34:54 (permalink)
    I agree it is nice but I think you didn't read what I said about automating a convolution reverb. I believe, and this is my own belief, such a plugin is not conducive to automation. At least not those parameters that need buffers and extensive processing to apply.

    You would be far better off using the Pantheon or Sonitus reverbs for automation.

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