PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets?

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2010/09/04 03:51:16 (permalink)

PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets?

Just tried to use PerfectSpace for the first time and there are no presets.   Have we been given the razor but I have to now go somewhere to buy the blades?
 
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/04 04:11:33 (permalink)
    A convolution reverb needs an impulse to work that become its preset. You need to load one first.

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/04 04:37:51 (permalink)
    Sorry, where am I supposed to get those from?  I have preset folders of various types but they don't have the file types in them that the plugin preset loader is looking for.  I've read the little help pages but they're of no help.
     
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/04 04:49:48 (permalink)
    If you look at the plugin just below the 5 buttons there is a icon of a folder that is where you click to load an impulse. You shouldn't need to find the folder where the files are stored. It should be there already.

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/04 04:55:58 (permalink)
    I can't remember where the default impulses went but there's plenty more here:

    http://noisevault.com/nv/...mository&Itemid=29

    The Bricasti set has become a real go to for me in PS
    http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/04 09:14:02 (permalink)
    I use Perfect Spaces big brother so I am working from memory but I think the load dialog is within the GUI of Perfect Space rather than the main window frame.

    You'll find the IR files are stored within the Perfect Space folder that was installed in your VST effects folder? Browse to that and load one up.

    I like Perfect Space... It inspired me to buy Pristine Space... and now that is my go to reverb for just about everything.

    Good Luck,

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/04 09:37:00 (permalink)
    When you open Perfect Space, located just beneath the Preset button, you'll see an icon that looks like a piece of paper with a folded corner... click that. That should open a dialog box automatically to the location of the included impulse files. Double-click through the folders and select a WAV file... then click Open.

    This gives you a basis for your reverb sound. You can now adjust the various Perfect Space parameters to fine tune the sound of the reverb. When you have something you like, save it as a preset using the Presets parameters at the top of the Perfect Space window.

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/05 05:54:30 (permalink)
    Thanks Scott.
    A rollover tool tip would have been useful 
     
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/05 08:57:32 (permalink)
    rothchild.. great link.. thanx... I was looking for more impulses but never found any...
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/05 09:54:26 (permalink)
    It's a prime example of an unintuitive plug-in because the amount of people who think the presets are missing are numbered like the stars in the sky.
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/05 17:47:53 (permalink)
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    It's a prime example of an unintuitive plug-in because the amount of people who think the presets are missing are numbered like the stars in the sky.


    Not in this case.  Because its a type of plugin that needs an impulse file to work. If you know that then you will fine the way to load one. You wont be looking for presets.

    Its a little like the difference between a software synth and software sampler.

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 04:16:16 (permalink)
    If people who use plug-ins regularly ask the same repeated question about this plug-in then you need to make it more intuitive in my opinion. I think it could easily be achieved with this plug-in.
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 04:59:48 (permalink)
    Programmers shouldn't be so complacent/geeky in my view.  If I design a routine at the office or make a web site I make the assumption that users will be of different levels of savvy and I use standard methods to help all users along speedily, e.g .popups, rollover hints, tooltips.  It's first level stuff.  And it makes users like your stuff.  Plugin makers are stingy (lazy?) when it comes to help files, manuals, etc. presumably on the basis that they believe their work is intuitive for the user, so they should darn well try a bit harder to make it so.
    (NB: PerfectSpace help file: (1) the Index page is totally blank!  (2) A search for 'Impulse' in the Search page yields no reference whatsoever to the load impulse icon.  I call that plain sloppy work.)
    post edited by Skyline_UK - 2010/09/06 05:06:23

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 05:16:17 (permalink)
    You do have a point Sky but the title says something about a preconceived idea. In looking for presets here one is bound to not find any such thing for this sort of plugin. It helps knowing what to look for and it wouldn't hurt for CW to make it a little easier to see where and what one needs to click on to get started with PS. None the less if one knows about a convolution reverb then it becomes a lot simpler to find the files that make it work. Or at least to look for them. Also if you look a bit at it and Dim Pro you will see a very similar file loading icon. In this CW is a little consistent.   

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 06:18:48 (permalink)
    Being a convolution reverb and offering presets does not exclude each other.  A user can load a preset which in turn loads the IR plus the plug's internal settings. This is the case with eg Reverberate.
    If Perfect space doesn't offer factory presets using the shipped IR's it's just lazyness by the developers.
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 08:53:07 (permalink)
    I think oranges should be smooth like apples on the exterior.

    How about a "load here" button.  :-D

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 09:02:09 (permalink)
    FWIW, the Perfect Space developer, Voxengo, continues to improve his designs and guis. I like Alexksy... he has the backbone and nerve to disagree with you when he feels you are incorrect, yet is also open minded enough to exact an improvement when he is made aware of the desires of the customers.

    Pristine Space, Perfect Space's big brother, has a primitive GUI but it sounds fantastic. I hope it will eventually be re gui'd with the latest Voxengo design.

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 10:05:33 (permalink)
    Skyline..thanks for this post. I posted recently about missing Studioverb 2 ... I thought I was missing presets in the Perfect Space as well so I was bummed about having no real reverb plug.
    Had I missed this post, I would have never opened it again!  Cheers!
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/06 11:20:28 (permalink)
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    I think oranges should be smooth like apples on the exterior.

    How about a "load here" button.  :-D
    IK Multimedia win this one hands down

    CLICK HERE TO LOAD A PRESET  - in massive red capital letters.
    You can't beat that for clarity
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/07 03:54:21 (permalink)
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    It's a prime example of an unintuitive plug-in because the amount of people who think the presets are missing are numbered like the stars in the sky.

    Count me as one of them... I'm frustrated that Studioverb 2 doesn't work in sonar 64bit and never could get Perfect Space to work for the same reason... no presets!  Just figured it out a couple hours ago (nothing in the help file!) and after posting problems with Rapture 64bit in the instrument forum just came over here to take a look and bingo!  someone struggling with the same issue I struggled with earlier this evening! 


    And really appreciate the links also...now in my bookmarks!


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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/07 04:48:23 (permalink)
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    Being a convolution reverb and offering presets does not exclude each other.  A user can load a preset which in turn loads the IR plus the plug's internal settings. This is the case with eg Reverberate.
    If Perfect space doesn't offer factory presets using the shipped IR's it's just lazyness by the developers.


    No it doesn't but it is unusual in most.

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/07 05:44:37 (permalink)
    Most of those I worked with do come with presets. Examples are Waves IR, Logics Space Designer, WizooVerb and said LiquidSonics Reverberate.

    I understand that simple ones that don't allow much tweaking but just compute the IR don't need presets as they would more or less just double the IR loading dialog. But I think a plugin like Perfect Space deserves that bit of work to bring the user into the ballpark quick and not least to showcase the possibilities.
    I don't subscribe to the " you know this is a convolution plugin, so don't expect presets". And I disagree with
    A convolution reverb needs an impulse to work that become its preset.
    Loading an impulse into a modern convolution plugin is more akin to changing the algorithm (in an algorithmic digital reverb) than to loading a preset. There are plenty more parameters to tweak in addition to the underlying IR.
    Which is why Perfect Space has a preset system in the first place. It's just a matter of service to the customer to fill it up with some reasonable factory settings.
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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2010/09/09 01:10:44 (permalink)
    It would be nice to have a bunch of presets!  

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    Re:PerfectSpace Convolution plugin - no presets? 2011/01/12 10:40:35 (permalink)
    I know....  it's a 4 month old post, but I found it because I couldn't find the damn presents either!    It's not even that I am looking for it to have presets per-say.   But being a relative Newb....  if I open any most any other FX plug in (regaurdless reverb or otherwise) that was included in sonar,  you don't open files to audition sounds & learn that plug in....  you click through "presets"  & tweak each one to test it's capabilities...  Take another reverb for example:  Hall, Chamber, Drum room. etc.   then you start from those & find what you like.   I was happy to find this post as I had basically written perfect space off asI couldn't seem to get it to "do" a damn thing.   I figured if anything maybe I inadvertently moved the files so now it didn't work right.   Glad to see it's just programed wierd (different than the others).
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