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Permanently undock
Can I get rid of docking permanently and if so how ?
I've looked through the help section but don't see it.
I hate it, I don't want to have to start a new project and have to get rid of it every time.
I either want to see all of the console or none of it, I hated it in X1 and am still hating it in X2
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 13:35:12
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I have personally never understood what the point of docking was - often I want multiple plugins visible on screen at a time and the dock doesn't provide this. I really don't understand what it is for.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 13:50:38
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twaddle
Can I get rid of docking permanently and if so how ?
I've looked through the help section but don't see it.
I hate it, I don't want to have to start a new project and have to get rid of it every time.
I either want to see all of the console or none of it, I hated it in X1 and am still hating it in X2
Steve
Undock either the view Window or the multidock (depending on whether you want to use that or not) so they are floating windows. Save that as your template. AFAIK there's no way of opening a new view already undocked. You can see I either want to see all of the console or none of it, I hated it in X1 and am still hating it in X2
I don't understand what you mean here. If you open the console view in the dock and maximise it, it always opens maximised unless you shrink it in exactly the same way any other OS window does. I have personally never understood what the point of docking was - often I want multiple plugins visible on screen at a time and the dock doesn't provide this. I really don't understand what it is for.
It's a great Window organisation system. I personally don't work in multi views all at the same time (it's actually impossible as only one window has focus at a time anyway) so the multidock is a way of having multiple windows accessible all at the same time while only taking up the space of one. If you need to see more than one at the same time, float one or all of them as you would normally. Use the tabs or Ctrl+Shift+arrow keys to change quickly.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 13:57:46
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twaddle
Can I get rid of docking permanently and if so how ?
I've looked through the help section but don't see it.
I hate it, I don't want to have to start a new project and have to get rid of it every time.
I either want to see all of the console or none of it, I hated it in X1 and am still hating it in X2
Steve
Undock either the view Window or the multidock (depending on whether you want to use that or not) so they are floating windows. Save that as your template. AFAIK there's no way of opening a new view already undocked. You can see
I either want to see all of the console or none of it, I hated it in X1 and am still hating it in X2
I don't understand what you mean here. If you open the console view in the dock and maximise it, it always opens maximised unless you shrink it in exactly the same way any other OS window does.
I have personally never understood what the point of docking was - often I want multiple plugins visible on screen at a time and the dock doesn't provide this. I really don't understand what it is for.
It's a great Window organisation system. I personally don't work in multi views all at the same time (it's actually impossible as only one window has focus at a time anyway) so the multidock is a way of having multiple windows accessible all at the same time while only taking up the space of one.
If you need to see more than one at the same time, float one or all of them as you would normally.
Use the tabs or Ctrl+Shift+arrow keys to change quickly.
What I meant was I have one monitor and I only ever want to see one window at a time but I don't want to lose all my tool bars which is what happens when I maximise and another huge annoyance for me is that if I'm in the console or prv it often obscures any vsti's I have open and minimised. I always have BFD2 open and I'm always having move the console or prv to access it which I never had to do prior to X1 & X2. ]For me they broke a load of things that really didn't need fixing. I know you love it but I don't and don't envisage myself ever doing so  Steve
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 14:02:32
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I'm not a fan of the Multidock, or the Browser for that matter.
I only use the Browser because we no longer have the Synth Rack (View), and I never use the Multidock at all.
Didn't someone once come up with a way of removing the closed/collapsed Multidock from the screen completely? It's such a waste of space. Why can't the give us the option to turn it off all together, and maybe have the same choice with the Browser.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 14:06:32
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By tool bars do you mean control bar? That definitely shouldn't be obscured when maximising. I sometimes wish that was an option.
If you have the PRV open in the multidock have you tried putting BFD in the dock as well? All you need to do then is either click on its tab or press ctrl+shift+arrow key.
If you want a maximised PRV with BFD visible at the same time that should be possible as well - Although I rarely use it like that the dock never obscures VST windows here, either maximised or minimised. Not sure why you are seeing different, I don't think I have any setting that does that unless it is unique to BFD.
Have you tried X-ray as an alternative?
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 14:24:45
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the console view or any other view besides the track view opens in the dock anyway. meaning the second you choose "view/console view" it opens in the dock. what this also means is you have to use the dock to be able to use any view other than track view. the dock is great but for peeps with one monitor I can understand why youd want to have a whole screen of the different views. its actually one of my favorite features in sonar, makes changing views easy as pie. but like I said, one monitor, I can kinda see your point. the arrows at the bottom of the dock will collapse it, everytime you go to the views option, anything you choose there will open in the dock, besides TV. think of TV as being the undockable view, the basis which sonar uses for its main frame my advise is to set up screensets. create a template, use your template everytime you open your new projects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJmu4pqZthU
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:09:02
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FastBikerBoy
By tool bars do you mean control bar? That definitely shouldn't be obscured when maximising. I sometimes wish that was an option.
Karl, I think the OP is referring to this... In the Console View, click on the Restore option (in the top-left corner). Now select Enable Floating. Finally, click on Maximise and it will fill the whole screen, obscuring the Control Bar.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:18:21
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I thought you could undock the control bar and then it's just a matter of hitting the keybinding to bring it to the surface (c?). Should just pop up over whatever else is happening. I love the dock and AFAIK if I wanted to floated anything I can. In fact many things seem to default to floating and I have to drag them into the dock. Long live the Multi Dock!
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:21:33
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I find the Multidock indispensable when building up Midi compositions.
I've had as many as a dozen different PRV screens available, all just a click away, zoomed & snapped exactly how I want them.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:23:14
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And I'm on one monitor. I'd be buried in GUI madness without the MD just like I was in Nuendo. I also don't need to hunt around FX bins to bring them back to the surface or have a bunch of minimize screens obscuring the bottom of my window. IDK... I guess I don't understand the question. Seems to me I could have it the old style way if I really wanted to.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:26:06
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@Jonesey... I've just been using the PRV note/track filters instead of having multiple views. Once I figured that one out my life got a lot easier. I may be missing a benefit of multiple PRVs though but the filters seem to do what I want.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:32:02
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Yes Beep, I sometimes use them when working with sub-groups of instruments, like all strings/brass etc
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/03 17:39:18
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Excuse my ignorance, Jonesey but if I select all the midi tracks in the project, then select PRV then I can filter through them however I want. Or do you mean you select a sub group of instruments for one PRV and another sub group for the next allowing you to bounce back and forth quickly? hmm... actually, I should be doing that. Interesting. Cheers.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 03:31:59
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Take a simple example.
I'll have 4 separate docked PRV's for Bass, Cello, Violas & Violins, and a 5th for all the strings
It's just the way I like to work - everything I want to see is just one click away
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 03:39:31
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SteveStrummerUK
FastBikerBoy
By tool bars do you mean control bar? That definitely shouldn't be obscured when maximising. I sometimes wish that was an option.
Karl, I think the OP is referring to this...
In the Console View, click on the Restore option (in the top-left corner).
Now select Enable Floating.
Finally, click on Maximise and it will fill the whole screen, obscuring the Control Bar.
Hi Steve - yeah I can see that but the OP's asking how to stop docking because of the problems. As you've discovered you can only create those problems by not docking - or at least they don't happen here using the dock 
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 03:46:16
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SteveStrummerUK
I only use the Browser because we no longer have the Synth Rack (View),.
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Ah. I am not alone on that one then!
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 03:46:51
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Beepster
Excuse my ignorance, Jonesey but if I select all the midi tracks in the project, then select PRV then I can filter through them however I want. Or do you mean you select a sub group of instruments for one PRV and another sub group for the next allowing you to bounce back and forth quickly? hmm... actually, I should be doing that. Interesting. Cheers.
I'll butt in if I may. You can open a PRV select the tracks you want to see in that PRV and then lock it (Right click on tab) - Open another PRV select a load of tracks in that - lock it - rinse and repeat as many times as you want. Then you can switch between them as you wish using the tabs or Ctrl+Shift+arrow keys, and as Colin points out they all have their independent zoom level as well. It is a super fast way of working that I absolutely love. (Maybe I should make a video of it - it's quite an improvement over V4.  ) That technique will also work with any other view except the CV which can only have one open at a time.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 03:53:52
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Many of us have dual monitors to have it our way. With more than one monitor you have the luxury of saving a project with whatever view/s floated on the other screen you want. When you open that project it will be just as you left it.
As to the complaint of maximizing a view and it obscures windows behind it. Who would of ever thunk? To my knowledge its always been like that with Windows.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 04:09:56
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I have always bounced around between two or more monitors - I currently have three but TBH the X series has almost made them redundant. In fact I now use two of them for a stretched full screen view and the third is just for use when I'm working at my keyboards. The multidock, inspector, all the keyboard shortcuts and of course the jewel in the crown - SCREENSETS  have made working so much easier IMHO. I'm no longer juggling the display, just working. I agree though that I wish the synth rack was separate from the browser. I get round that by docking the rack view in the multidock but it'd be nice to have that view and still have the browser available as a separate entity. My other wish is for the Control Bar visibility state to be included in screensets.
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Re:Permanently undock
2013/06/04 16:43:42
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Yeah... it all made sense shortly after I replied to Jonesey. I was having a rough day yesterday so my brain wasn't working. I will be employing that technique in the future and already kind of did in a hamfisted way before I started using the track/note filters. Cheers.
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