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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/28 17:01:37
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I remember seeing Phil Collins and really liking him...when he was a drummer! The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway tour was great. Then Peter left. The next two tours were very good. Then Steve left. Then a lot of POmPosity ensued. Never got to see Peter solo, but did get to see Steve a couple of times. He was smokin'-good.
But Phil Collins THE former Genesis FRONT man? Blah. [This is a family-friendly forum after all.]
He served best when he served from the back.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/28 20:08:48
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I discovered Genesis with Genesis, Abacab and Duke, and for me, that was Genesis for a long time. Not being much of a prog rock fan, I never really got into the older stuff, though I was obviously familiar with it. Last year however, I bought a Trick of the Tail on an impulse, and I actually quite like it. Maybe it'll be the gateway to the rest of the stuff.
As for Collins solo... His music remains associated with what they used to call "contemporary adult music", which was one of the biggest turn off imaginable as a label. And I always thought the label was appropriate in his case, even if I respect his accomplishments.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/28 21:29:19
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Most of us are only retired until the money runs out. Famous entertainers are apparently only retired until they feel the need for one more round of adulation. Is it possible to love to do music without needing to be loved for your music?
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/28 21:58:58
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2015/10/29 11:41:00
I've never understood the animus towards Phil. Self evidently a talented drummer and singer he never veered off into true "artsy fartsy" land and made music that was accessible to most around the globe and, as far as I can tell, had a positive message. Perhaps one might compare him to the pop cultural icons of today...say, Niki Minaj...and rethink this misguided animosity. Or not.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/28 22:21:37
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I saw Genesis in 1973 and my applause is the main feature of the subsequent live at Leicester de Montfort theatre..........
However talented he may have been, his voice and that bloody track In the Air Tonight certainly grate and the hackles rise etc.
Trying to be the jack of all trades (Led Zeppelin, Clapton, Mr Liveaid etc) was also a no no (for me).
But yeah, he's a good, not excellent, drummer and his motown covers were ok. Its just that i hate that song about the air tonight.......
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/28 23:35:59
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I am a complete fan of Genesis, with and without Phil. I've also supported all of them in their solo careers. I've probably seen more of Peter Gabriel than the rest. What can you say about these guys that would be bad? They're all great musicians and road warriors. I'm delighted that Phil is going to have another chance to do what he loves and provide some new music. He's a multi-dimensional entertainer.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/10/29 03:53:48
You can't not respect him while listening to "Mama."
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 09:10:20
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Focusing on the positives, I really liked both his drumming and his backing vocals on John Martyn's 1980 album 'Grace and Danger'. His voice and Martyn's were a nice blend.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
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☄ Helpfulby TheMaartian 2015/10/29 12:04:03
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I discovered Genesis with Genesis, Abacab and Duke, and for me, that was Genesis for a long time. Not being much of a prog rock fan, I never really got into the older stuff, though I was obviously familiar with it. Last year however, I bought a Trick of the Tail on an impulse, and I actually quite like it. Maybe it'll be the gateway to the rest of the stuff.
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Hi, There are some things worth getting. Even though some of the stuff is the darling of "prog-bs", in the end, there are some things that are far beyond the words and excellent music. Trespass/Foxtrot, are both very good. Selling England by the Pound is totally excellent and top notch The Lamb Dies Down ... is one of the best albums ever. Takes guts and talent to write real pieces of music, and if this day and age still appreciated "opera", this one would take the cake. Of all the solo albums, I love listening to Anthony Phillips (original lead guitar) and his solo albums, and many of them are really neat. The Geese and the Ghost is worth having. And then there is Steve Hackett, and his first solo is a must have regardless. Voyage of the Acolyte is fantastic from beginning to end, were it not that we have been stuck in an age of "songs" to actually appreciate a concept piece in its entirety! Other than that, for me, Genesis died with "Trick of the Tail". As much as I like PG and his solo material, in the end, it is all just songs, and there is no continuity or concept, and for me, that is not as enjoyable. Let's write a song about ... and to me, music has always been more than just that. It's a life, not a song! One minute, or three is is the case in rock'n'roll, rarely defines the life! In fact, it tends to define the end of a band for me. There are far superior bands that did more work with the kind of style that Genesis did, and ANGE, the French band is far superior, and much more attuned to the real thing -- theater -- than PG and Genesis EVER were. When you hear Christian Decamps whisper "ecoute ... ecoute ... ", you get the feeling immediately that this is serious, not just a song! And "Au Dela du Delire" and "Emile Jacotey" are unbelievably good albums, and Emile Jacotey was done almost 20 years before Roger Waters thought about it! And then there is BANCO and PFM. Banco was on its own, and did not need Manticore or ELP to survive, and their first 5 or 6 albums are totally out of this world. PFM's first 4 or 5 albums the same ... totally excellent ... but ... sadly, this is nothing like a top ten song in many other places, and that makes for music that few folks have given a solid listen to. Just put on the first cut from PFM's The World Became the World, on your music box, and blast it loud ... VERY LOUD ... and you know that pop music is not where it's at! Also remember that in those days, nothing was called "progressive" though some Melody Maker writers had determined that some bands in London were "progressive" by 1969. The European scen, by that time, was already totally independent and different all around, and they were not creating music because it was anything, but MUSIC ... the sound of your heart and soul! The rest is a song, and you know it!
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 09:32:15
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I am a complete fan of Genesis, with and without Phil. I've also supported all of them in their solo careers. I've probably seen more of Peter Gabriel than the rest. What can you say about these guys that would be bad? They're all great musicians and road warriors. I'm delighted that Phil is going to have another chance to do what he loves and provide some new music. He's a multi-dimensional entertainer.
I was beginning to think that this was mostly a "bash Phil" thread! I also am a fan of all things Genesis and even the sappy/pop Collins solo stuff! And a fan of Gabriel solo stuff. I saw Genesis in '87 in Dallas with the Invisible Touch Tour. it was an AWESOME SHOW! I'm not sure it's a good thing that he's returning out of retirement, but we'll see. I hope he doesn't tank and spoil my memories of his greatness.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 10:05:48
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I was beginning to think that this was mostly a "bash Phil" thread!
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That would be sad ... he was a fabulous drummer, and some of the stuff he did on the side was excellent. I specially like the stuff with Eno that he did. Even better than some of the Genesis drumming.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 10:09:01
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Brand X.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 11:34:24
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I am a complete fan of Genesis, with and without Phil. I've also supported all of them in their solo careers. I've probably seen more of Peter Gabriel than the rest. What can you say about these guys that would be bad? They're all great musicians and road warriors. I'm delighted that Phil is going to have another chance to do what he loves and provide some new music. He's a multi-dimensional entertainer.
I was beginning to think that this was mostly a "bash Phil" thread!
I also am a fan of all things Genesis and even the sappy/pop Collins solo stuff! And a fan of Gabriel solo stuff.
I saw Genesis in '87 in Dallas with the Invisible Touch Tour. it was an AWESOME SHOW!
I'm not sure it's a good thing that he's returning out of retirement, but we'll see. I hope he doesn't tank and spoil my memories of his greatness.
+1 I think the conflicts arise when you judge one effort against a completely different style. I treat them all separately and like them each for what they are.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 11:45:54
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I've never understood the animus towards Phil.
for me it's the sewerage that spouts from his gob
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 11:57:47
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Which particular "sewerage" do you speak of?
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 12:08:01
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i've never met him personally (surprise!) but he very publicly threatened to leave the UK if the Labour party won the election - they did, and he followed through... then was accused of tax avoidance/evasion... you can easily google some of the stuff he's said to have said, divorcing a wife via fax, etc
i've no trouble with others liking his music, that's a taste thing, i do like the earlier genesis stuff before they went pop
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/10/31 12:33:29
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 13:31:02
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I think Phil's had enough bashing for now. Saw a very candid interview with him recently where he admitted that he'd overdone things and had way too much exposure in the '80's, especially the 'cheeky chappie' routine on stage. He said he could understand now why he would get on some people's nerves.
Sad about his health problems too, he looks a shadow of his former self these days.
Anyone heard his son Simon's stuff? Spooky...
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 13:42:58
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As much as I like PG and his solo material, in the end, it is all just songs, and there is no continuity or concept, and for me, that is not as enjoyable. Let's write a song about ... and to me, music has always been more than just that.
Actually (if that's what's important) there's a theme that runs through all his solo albums, at least until 'Us'. 'Concepts' are not defined by the length of the track.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 18:45:39
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/10/31 12:35:12
Wow, voice and looks, you could easily confuse Simon as a young Phil! Definitely his son.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 19:02:54
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Same male pattern balding too...sorry Simon.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 19:06:40
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A great singer and performer. It's been more than 20 years since he was on the scene in any memorable way, but if you think there isn't an audience for his talent you are mistaken. He can put together a great band as he did before and sell out just about anywhere in the world. If the voice is still there, I'd love to see and hear him. His stuff wasn't really my thing in the 80's, but "In the Air" was about as big a hit as you can have, and that record is stuffed full of pretty good pop songs.
I think over exposure and a few poor professional and personal choices caused him problems, but nothing he can't over come.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 21:48:01
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A great singer and performer. It's been more than 20 years since he was on the scene in any memorable way, but if you think there isn't an audience for his talent you are mistaken. He can put together a great band as he did before and sell out just about anywhere in the world. If the voice is still there, I'd love to see and hear him. His stuff wasn't really my thing in the 80's, but "In the Air" was about as big a hit as you can have, and that record is stuffed full of pretty good pop songs.
I think over exposure and a few poor professional and personal choices caused him problems, but nothing he can't over come.
Sorry to disagree, but In the Air is one of the most horrible vocal styles i've ever heard. His voice just grates. And he keeps bringing it out. No Son of Mine and some of its predessessors is molto better, but there's always that vocal style you either like or don't ! I don't. Only my opinion, Jerry
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/29 22:05:50
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Randy P
A great singer and performer. It's been more than 20 years since he was on the scene in any memorable way, but if you think there isn't an audience for his talent you are mistaken. He can put together a great band as he did before and sell out just about anywhere in the world. If the voice is still there, I'd love to see and hear him. His stuff wasn't really my thing in the 80's, but "In the Air" was about as big a hit as you can have, and that record is stuffed full of pretty good pop songs.
I think over exposure and a few poor professional and personal choices caused him problems, but nothing he can't over come.
Sorry to disagree, but In the Air is one of the most horrible vocal styles i've ever heard. His voice just grates. And he keeps bringing it out.
No Son of Mine and some of its predessessors is molto better, but there's always that vocal style you either like or don't ! I don't.
Only my opinion,
Jerry
Jerry, I understand you don't like his voice on the song, but take another look at my post. I said it the song was "as big a hit" as you can have. I also stated that his stuff wasn't my thing.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/30 02:17:07
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I think Phil's had enough bashing for now. Saw a very candid interview with him recently where he admitted that he'd overdone things and had way too much exposure in the '80's, especially the 'cheeky chappie' routine on stage. He said he could understand now why he would get on some people's nerves.
Sad about his health problems too, he looks a shadow of his former self these days.
Anyone heard his son Simon's stuff? Spooky...
The similarity to his dad's voice is even more apparent in this video. I wouldn't be surprised if his vocals end up with the same EQ settings as Phil's, lol.....
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/30 05:42:34
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I don't understand the animosity, I guess he was just to prominent for a while, even my father who would have been hard pressed to recognise more than a handful of stars of that era would proclaim "I hate Phil Collins".
Wind and Wuthering was the last Genesis album I bought, once Steve Hackett left I lost interest but still enjoyed them on the radio occasionally.
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Re: Phil Collins is back at it again
2015/10/30 06:33:37
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Randy P
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A great singer and performer. It's been more than 20 years since he was on the scene in any memorable way, but if you think there isn't an audience for his talent you are mistaken. He can put together a great band as he did before and sell out just about anywhere in the world. If the voice is still there, I'd love to see and hear him. His stuff wasn't really my thing in the 80's, but "In the Air" was about as big a hit as you can have, and that record is stuffed full of pretty good pop songs.
I think over exposure and a few poor professional and personal choices caused him problems, but nothing he can't over come.
Sorry to disagree, but In the Air is one of the most horrible vocal styles i've ever heard. His voice just grates. And he keeps bringing it out.
No Son of Mine and some of its predessessors is molto better, but there's always that vocal style you either like or don't ! I don't.
Only my opinion,
Jerry
Jerry, I understand you don't like his voice on the song, but take another look at my post. I said it the song was "as big a hit" as you can have. I also stated that his stuff wasn't my thing.
r Randy, you did indeed, my bad. Cheers, Jerry
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