Phoenix Verb

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2013/02/11 09:46:07 (permalink)

Phoenix Verb

New reverb plugin from Exponential Audio:
http://www.exponentialaud...ixVerb/PhoenixVerb.php

Created by one of the designers behind many of Lexicon's classics.

Demo'd it... and wow does it sound good.
Not cheap ($200), but it's the best algorithmic software reverb I've heard.
IMO, Significantly better than Lexicon's own PCM bundle...

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Jim Roseberry
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    ltb
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 10:29:31 (permalink)
    Hi Jim,

    Both of Michael's new plugs are great but Phoenix is killer.

    Posted it a while back, didn't get much response I think because of iLok


    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2751919




    post edited by carl - 2013/02/11 10:31:30
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 11:46:56 (permalink)
    I think Pace Technologies should start a new ad campaign with the slogan:


    iLok, Get Over It.
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 11:55:35 (permalink)
    Hey is there a new version of Phoenix that works with X2 64?  When I tried it a few weeks ago I couldn't get it to pass the VST scan. 

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 12:14:40 (permalink)
    Hi Eddie,

    My test system is running Win8x64 (using a multi-touch monitor)... but I know this circumvents the original Win7x64 issue.  Not sure if that's resolved or not.
    Works fine here in Sonar X2a, Studio One Pro v2.5, Reaper 4.32, and Cubase 7 (haven't tried others yet).

    We have numerous nice reverb options at this point...
    But Pheonix just raised the bar (significantly enough) that I'm going to have to jump on this.

    When auditioning reverb, I always listen to drum kit.
    The transients really *reveal* the sound of the reverb.
    You just don't hear the details with softer-attack/sustaining instruments.
    Pheonix is exceptional on drums.  

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 12:22:22 (permalink)
    I think Pace Technologies should start a new ad campaign with the slogan: iLok, Get Over It.



    I'm not crazy about iLok, but I have both an iLok and iLok-2.
    For quality plugins, it's worth the slight hassle (to me).



    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 13:24:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info, Jim ... I got in on the $40 Win8 deal but haven't installed it on my DAW yet since I'm of the "if it ain't broke" school, and I found the UI so non-intuitive on my wife's PC that I'm in no rush to upgrade.  :-)

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    Eddie

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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/02/11 21:53:58 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry



    I think Pace Technologies should start a new ad campaign with the slogan: iLok, Get Over It.



    I'm not crazy about iLok, but I have both an iLok and iLok-2.
    For quality plugins, it's worth the slight hassle (to me).

    I almost don't see it a slight hassle. I actually consider it hassle free (after rejecting the idea for years). To each his own, they say.
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/02 21:45:58 (permalink)
    Hello,

    Have you tried this reverb on lead vocals for pop music ? :  It's an headache to get satisfying results on lead vocals with many reverbs on the market ( Nevertheless, I didn't try the  famous big name : Lexicon pcm, Relab 480 xl, Princeton digital,...)

    Maybe it's me but I don't manage to get this "magnificient" dimension for vocals . I have QL Spaces : it's very clean/transparent but not enough character and doesn't cut through the mix (for voices) !Tsar Le reverb from the Softube mix bundle is too much coloured; I didn't managed to get something good from Breverb ! Only, the Pantheon (I have from Sonar 8.5) gives a certain "thickness" but that remains very limited, fixed, unnatural without (tri)dimensional magnitude ! 
    Lastly, I purchased the IK Multimedia CSR which has a decent reputation ,but  (as far as I'm concerned and without wanting to denigrate the real quality of the IK stuff) I was rather disappointed.




    Could we have any chance with the EA reverbs to come close to the Bricasti presets we can listen in this video ? There is no harm in dreaming ! 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHU_USkX0vo

    Thanks very much for your attention
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/03 20:43:22 (permalink)
    Did you ever try Valhalla? What about Epicverb from Variety of sound?

    Cakewalk, Harrison Mixbus 4, Waveform 9, ADK intel i7 2600 3.40 ghz, 8gb Ram, Win 7, Presonus Audiobox 44VSL. 
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/04 10:08:21 (permalink)
    Have you tried this reverb on lead vocals for pop music ?



    The creator of the Phoenix Verb is Michael Carnes (man behind many of Lexicon's signature hardware reverbs).
    I've listened to the Phoenix side-by-side with the PCM bundle... and the Phoenix (IMO) sounds significantly better.
    Super smooth on drums... 
    This is where many software reverbs sound terrible.

    I'm surprised you don't like the Phoenix on lead vocals (any genre)...

    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
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    peter434
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/06 19:03:04 (permalink)
    Hey Jim,
    once again, excuse me for my English (I'm French): it's probably the cause of the misunderstanding :
    I was just asking for user opinions concerning Phoenix, because I don't know anything about it (except just excellent feedbacks) and I cannot get the "lushing", "tridimensional" sound I want on my lead vocal from the reverbs I already have ! I invested on QL Spaces, believing it will fulfill my wishes, but, although it's a good quality, it lacks "character" in a whole mix. 
     
    I have no iLock 2, so now, I can't demo Phoenix, R2, Lexicon, Relab...
    The Relab 480XL seems to have a very good fame too ! Just wondering if the AudioExponential reverbs are self sufficient and can magnify the lead vocal nearly in the manner of Bricasti.
     
    Thanks
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/08 12:57:17 (permalink)
    It's a shame that tc electronics refuses to get into the 64 Bit game, because they have made some top notch reverbs like the 'Fabrik R'- definitely my favorite, to which I still compare others to.



     
     
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/08 17:31:22 (permalink)
    Hi folks,
    I apologize for being rather late in joining this forum.  I hope I'll be able to answer any questions you might have.
     
    Michael
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    . 2013/06/08 17:36:15 (permalink)
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/08 17:42:27 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike!
    I've been busy the last couple of months.  Much of the effort is for ProTools 11, which probably isn't of much interest to the majority of readers here.  But I've also been working on EuControl, which is available on many Windows and VST DAWs.  That will be available in the next release of the plugs.
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/08 17:53:47 (permalink)
    Hi Michael,
     
    Good to see you here.
    I've been using Phoenix Verb since it's release it & find it very useful.
     
    edit-also hope you'll be able to find an alternative to iLok in the future after the fiasco with their new software. 
     
    post edited by carl - 2013/06/14 17:47:28
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Phoenix Verb 2013/06/10 18:29:48 (permalink)
    Hi Michael,
     
    Another fan of your work... (both past and present)
    Good to see you on the forum.
     

    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
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