Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites

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2013/09/15 21:22:40 (permalink)

Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites

I want a UV filter for my new 35mm lens so I've been reading some photo website reviews.
 
It turns out my brand new 35mm lens sucks and that I should have bought a cheaper lens because it is much sharper, has better contrast, and generally outperforms the lens I purchased.
 
I just took the time to scrutinize two website reviews that included detailed full resolution photos made with both lenses. I got to see the proof that the cheaper lens is better by looking at the relatively soft and fuzzy images made with it and then comparing them with the sharper and crisper images made with the lens model I bought. The results seem pretty obvious when you look at them.
 
It was interesting to see the photos offered as proof and the conclusions reached by the writers... because as we all know the proof is important.
 
It's sort of entertaining to encounter such bold claims but it is also interesting to consider how compelling such claims can seem and how they can undermine your confidence.
 
Crazy times!
 
 
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    michaelhanson
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/15 21:35:05 (permalink)
    Agree with you Mike. I've been getting Popular Photography for quite a few years now and read all of their reviews. I really like Ken Rockwell's website and usually check to see if he has reviewed a product.

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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/15 21:48:01 (permalink)
    I bought my lens right after reading a Ken Rockwell review. He seems like straight shooter. :-)


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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 08:25:27 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Even from my days on working the photo lab, it was hard to get good information, and even here in the metro, Pro Photo would be the place to ask questions, but I noticed that they always lean the answer towards the sale they currently have!
     
    Previously, I learned most of what I got from the folks that distributed the paper and the chemistries from the lab ... I knew from them what people bought and what the results were ... for example ... putting the school pictures on flat paper, sharp paper or the glossy paper, and which film they used ... you could tell easily enough ... kodachrome or ektachrome ... and the like.
     
    The lenses for a camera is not something I got lucky with though I always had a wide-angle macro zoom lens that went 35-220 ... which I bought in Santa Barbara cheap, one time ($200) and used it for 25 years ... it was just a comfortable lens and moved in and out fine ... though moving out ... was too far away! All the pictures I took came through that lens.
     
    In general, I NEVER used the standard cheapo that came with all cameras, and those lenses are crap, and distort the results and what you like to do. or are trying to do.
     
    I do not expect the digital to be any different ... and sure enough ... the same crappy lens, but I'm not finding a good zoom wide angle lens ... as most of those out there are exactly the same thing ... glorified crap, and designed for the straight ahead shot and no periphery!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 08:28:21 (permalink)
    I kinda like my EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM.


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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 09:17:25 (permalink)
    I've got the 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 that came with my Nikon.  I bought a 70-300mm F3.5-5.6 a couple of years ago to handle telephoto.  I am really leaning towards a faster prime 50mm F1.8 now for low light.  I was drooling over a 50mm F1.4, which is twice the price, but the reviews that I have read say that the F1.8 is every bit as good a lens and only 2/3 an F stop difference.  I don't have a full frame Nikon, so 50mm would be like 75mm; nice portrait lens.

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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 09:26:10 (permalink)
    I just passed on the Canon 50mm f1.2L because of similar reviews about Canon f1.8 lenses.
     
    The reason I started this thread is that the reviews with the example photos I read last night, the reviews that say my new 35mm f1.4L Canon is sucky, show that the Canon takes clearer and crisper pictures than the lens that they say is much better and cheaper too.
     
    It is as if they show pictures that defy the conclusions they have made and seem confident you will not look at the photos and decide for yourself but rather just react to the conclusions.
     
    Weird!!!


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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 10:23:29 (permalink)
    In every field of endeavor the must exist a "soundblaster" so as to have a frame of reference as to what is good and bad.
     
    Is that the git of it?
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 10:31:08 (permalink)
    It's almost the opposite.
     
    It's as if someone provided a noisy and grainy sample of a Soundblaster and then provided a beautiful sounding sample from something else and then said "listen... the Blaster is soooo much better and you're a fool if you don't agree"... and then after you read that you think you must be a fool or something.
     
    I guess it's kinda like reading amp sim blog-o-sphere reviews.
     
    I'm not saying I don't like the Blaster... it ain't no Realtek of course, but I just made up the nosy and grainy part.
     
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 11:30:37 (permalink)
    Sometimes people have an ax to grind with a company and allow it to cloud their judgment. Or they want to believe in some other company's product for whatever reason.
     
    That's why objective testing is necessary when we are not making purely subjective decisions.

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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 15:26:54 (permalink)
    Aren't decisions just thinly veiled impulses?
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 15:43:04 (permalink)
    I thought they were isions that came in batches of ten.


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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 15:53:33 (permalink)
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    I thought they were isions that came in batches of ten.


    Bakers Dozen?
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/16 17:19:36 (permalink)
    When I get to ision, I starts a scratchin'.

     
    Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/17 09:10:04 (permalink)
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    ...
    The reason I started this thread is that the reviews with the example photos I read last night, the reviews that say my new 35mm f1.4L Canon is sucky, show that the Canon takes clearer and crisper pictures than the lens that they say is much better and cheaper too.
    ... 
     Weird!!!


    Nikkon is considered a "professional" camera, and up until the beginning of the digital revolution 10/15 years ago, there were not many Nikkons that were inexpensive that were designed for the home market, because Nikkon did not make them.
     
    This has changed, of course, and now, both Canon and Nikkon feature a huge list of digital units.
     
    At the photo lab we had Nikkons for the photo shoots, and then the expensive 120 cameras for the portraits and group pictures in sports and such. Spendy turkeys, let me tell you, but they are/were worth it.
     
    When I got the Canon AE-1, I think it was around 1985, Canon was making a point of going for the "home" market and make the cameras easier to use. The auto feature was not bad, but did not balance things too well for me, and I learned how to use the F-Stops and Exposures at that time, although it would be another 5 years before I learned about film ... and paper! ... which made things even better ... you use sharp film, and if you print it on sharp paper, you will have a hard time color balancing it ... that kind of thing ... or the bad one ... you use flat film (usually school pictures are done on flat film) and then print them on flat paper, and it will look poor and cheap, btw!
     
    Thus, as time goes by, I think the "differences" between a pro camera and a domestic camera will only be on the price ... and nothing else. But you won't see a "professional" photographer with a lot of Canon stuff, unless he is being paid to use and show it. You see that on some big sport events with those huge long distance lenses.
     
    Digital ... is still new, and the paper thigns are printing on is an issue right now, and they do not compare to the digital image that you can show here ... STILL! ... and it might be another few years before that happens ... the issue being the process is crap and bad ... the thermal paper thing is slow and cumbersome and not designed for commercial/bulk use, and the other ... is a poor excuse for a color something or other.
     
    Lenses or cameras, only make those details more visible.

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/17 09:42:12 (permalink)
    Thus, as time goes by, I think the "differences" between a pro camera and a domestic camera will only be on the price ... and nothing else. But you won't see a "professional" photographer with a lot of Canon stuff, unless he is being paid to use and show it. You see that on some big sport events with those huge long distance lenses.

     
    There are lots of pro's who use Canon.  You see all of the white Canon lenses at sports events because Canon body's and lenses focus faster and shoot faster than equivalent Nikon body's and lenses.  Many pro's actually use both brands for different situations.  Much like we will use different DAW's based on what the job requires.  

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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/17 13:01:47 (permalink)
    Mike,

    Your lens generated a 5 star rating with 548 reviews on the B&H site. That's not too shabby. Looks like a real nice lens.

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    Re: Photo gear review sites are weirder than audio sites 2013/09/18 01:38:00 (permalink)
    Didn't know this thread was here, but found it looking around. As a retired professional photographer, I have a lot of professional photography equipment for sale if anyone is interested. About 10 professional Nikon lenses, all metal cases and they are the ones made in Japan, not the cheap ones. I also have an antique Kodak collection of about 20 cameras, including the flash bulbs and cubes with the oldest one dating back to 1892. I also have an old view finder 35mm Nikon Camera for sale, the best they ever made. The last digital I used before retiring was a Kodak Pro 14n (Nikon F mount) and it doesn't get anymore professional than this one did, and you can use any Nikon F mount lens on this camera. Features a 13.9 mp (Full 35mm) shot @ 300dpi. It can be used to shoot photos for billboards. Gives you a finished file of 54mb. Its for sale also and comes with the Kodak Professional software. I have many more items as well, studio lighting, filters, gells, backdrops, you name it I might have it. Also, have a Beattie Coleman Professional reel film camera with 35mm magazine and a 70mm magazine for school and portrait photography. If anyone is interested in a deal or a package deal on all my equipment, I'm ready to make you a great deal to someone. Retail you would have had to pay about 70K for all the equipment and I'm selling it for 10cents on the dollar. Just email me, and in the subject line use "Photography deal from JRK" and I will know it is some one from this thread.
     
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