Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester?

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2016/02/18 10:10:50 (permalink)

Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester?

Hey folks.  Can anyone reproduce this in Manchester Platinum?
 
1. Create an empty project
2. Insert a midi track,  then record short clip
3. Place the now marker on the middle of the clip
4. Open the piano roll (If the velocity controller pane is not visible,  reveal it,  then close PRV and repeat step 3 and 4)
 
Upon first opening,  the notes and the velocity lines do not line up. As soon as I click the scroll bar  or actually scroll to a new page they are corrected. 
This happens opening any midi track in PRV.  If I open a midi clip,  it will appear that there are velocities but no notes until I start to scroll. 
post edited by tenfoot - 2016/02/18 11:15:41

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    Paul P
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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/18 18:19:19 (permalink)
     
    I can't reproduce this.  My notes and their velocities are always present and correctly aligned.  I tried several combinations of options in addition to following your steps exactly.  The only thing that might differ is the length of the clip recorded (and I used the Sonar virtual controller to enter the notes during record).
     
    tenfoot
    Upon first opening,  the notes and the velocity lines do not line up. As soon as I click the scroll bar  or actually scroll to a new page they are corrected. 
     
    This happens opening any midi track in PRV.  If I open a midi clip,  it will appear that there are velocities but no notes until I start to scroll. 



    Are these two different situations ?  In the first it seems like your notes are visible, but not in the second ?
     
    post edited by Paul P - 2016/02/18 18:33:58

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/18 20:59:13 (permalink)
    Hi Paul. 
     
    Thanks for trying this. 
     
    In the second example I am talking about longer midi tracks.  The midi notes move forward of the velocities so that when I open the PRV all that I see are the velocity lines untill  I start to scroll,  then the notes jump back into alignment. 
     
    It must be something on my system.  I will reinstall Manchester. 
     
    Thanks again Paul. 

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/18 22:14:07 (permalink)
    I have just tried this on my live rig (different PC and interface) and have exactly the same issue. Weird.

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/19 00:04:03 (permalink)
     
    OK, I can reproduce this.  But only with the PRV in the Multidock, and only if I open with a keyboard shortcut or "right-click / View / PRV".  With the PRV window floating things work properly and if I double-click the clip to open the PRV it's also correct.
     
    (display image only to make it bigger)
     

     
    Things of note :
     
    1. The now time is completely to the left, on the proper position on the time line, but it (and measure 5.5) should
        be centered in the pane.
     
    2. The velocity bars are correctly placed with respect to the now time (they're for the notes following the now time),
        but the bars should be on the right side of the pane if the now time were in the middle.
     
    3. The notes are too far to the right with respect to the now time.  Completely after it instead of centered on it.
     
    4. If I scroll with the scroll bar arrow buttons, the error is maintained and everything shifts.  Scrolling with the scroll slider
        immediately fixes the error.
     
    I can reproduce repeatedly.  If I use a keyboard shortcut I can open and close the multidock'ed prv and it's always wrong.
     
    post edited by Paul P - 2016/02/19 01:09:02

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/19 13:25:10 (permalink)
    Thanks Paul.  Good catch on the multidock as a causal factor.  I would not have made that distinction as that is where my PRV lives. Also identical with the slider to correct view so I suspect this is a bug. 

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/19 22:52:48 (permalink)

    Bruce.
     
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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/19 23:48:42 (permalink)
     
    It looks that link will only work from your account (at least it doesn't work from mine).
     
    Thanks for taking the time to submit the report.  Hope the bug gets fixed in a timely manner.  In the meantime at least it's not a huge problem.

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/20 01:14:16 (permalink)
    +1, that link goes to the account someone is logged in as. Made me chuckle since some looked SO familiar... Then I began reading dates... First I laughed, then I cried.

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/02/20 02:33:56 (permalink)
    Sorry about the link guys.  I didn't realise others couldn't use it. 
    Thanks for nailing the problem down Paul.  You are right- it is just a small issue. 
     
    Haha mettelus. The emotional roller-coaster of the problem reporting pages:)

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/05 22:28:25 (permalink)
    I can reproduce this as well and little more.
    Here is my post: http://forum.cakewalk.com...uler-bug-m3381631.aspx

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/05 23:48:19 (permalink)
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    I can reproduce this as well and little more.
    Here is my post: http://forum.cakewalk.com...uler-bug-m3381631.aspx


    Thanks Hammerforce. It seems to only happen when the PRV is docked. I submitted a problem report a couple of weeks ago.
    In the meantime, clicking on the window slider will bring everything back into alignment.

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/12 07:31:56 (permalink)
    Thank you for the heads up on the PRV being docked! Mine has always lived there as well, so I need to adjust for this.

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/12 10:27:38 (permalink)
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    Thank you for the heads up on the PRV being docked! Mine has always lived there as well, so I need to adjust for this.


    Cool Mettelus -  I just can't seem to get around having it docked so I have developd the habit of clicking the window slider just as I hit the keyboard shortcut to display whichever tracks I have chosen for the PRV.  Fingers crossed this little bug gets squashed in the next update!

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/12 10:35:31 (permalink)
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    I just can't seem to get around having it docked so I have developd the habit of clicking the window slider just as I hit the keyboard shortcut to display whichever tracks I have chosen for the PRV.



    You could just double-click the clip instead of using a keyboard shortcut and things should then be ok in the prv.

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/12 11:18:41 (permalink)
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    tenfoot
    I just can't seem to get around having it docked so I have developd the habit of clicking the window slider just as I hit the keyboard shortcut to display whichever tracks I have chosen for the PRV.



    You could just double-click the clip instead of using a keyboard shortcut and things should then be ok in the prv.


    Yeah -  just habit Paul.  I started using the keyboard shortcut a while back because the docked PRV did not always update reliably using a double click (a glitch in one of the X1 or X2 releases I think -  maybe even earlier). I also find it more convenient when  opening multiple tracks.  Old dogs and new tricks:) It's a fairly trivial annoyance really and easily rectified by a single click. 

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    Re: Piano Roll glitch in Platinum Manchester? 2016/03/12 11:43:17 (permalink)
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    I also find it more convenient when opening multiple tracks.



    Good point.  I'm still at the stage where I don't have any habits to overcome.
     

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