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2017/04/21 15:58:49 (permalink)

Piano Roll question.....it changed after update.

Today I finally got back to trying to work on some audio project I have (been doing video lately).  This morning I ran CCC to see if there were any updates, which there were, so I updated Splat and a few other things.
 
NOW....all of my piano roll views in all of my projects show "multiple tracks" instead of the single tracks I created (by right clicking and choosing "lock contents").  It doesn't matter how I try to change it back...ALL of my piano views are "multiple tracks" now.  I make sure that only ONE track is selected before I open the piano view.  What gives?

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/21 16:03:26 (permalink)
I just rolled back the the previous version....and the piano roll tracks are back to normal.
 
I guess this is a bug that needs to be fixed :) .

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/21 16:50:12 (permalink)
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I just rolled back the the previous version....and the piano roll tracks are back to normal.
 
I guess this is a bug that needs to be fixed :) .


The behavior you are experiencing with the latest  update is not a bug.  The Bakers have started modifying the functionality of the PRV beginning with version [2017.03].  Documentation is here:  https://www.cakewalk.com/...lp=NewFeatures.05.html

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/21 22:36:26 (permalink)
So...I guess now we can't use individual piano roll tabs for each track.  I guess that's something I will have to get used to.  I was about to panic when all of my piano roll tabs said multiple tracks...when I knew each one was designated to a specific track.

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/21 22:49:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/04/22 00:04:30
It is still possible to have individual PRV tabs for each track or group of tracks. If you prefer not to see the other tracks controls in a PRV: Open the PRV, enable the filter on some tracks, lock the PRV, repeat as necessary. See details about the PRV track filter https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=NewFeatures.06.html#5889947
 
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/22 00:13:51 (permalink)
Thanks scook.  I'm open to "enhanced" ways of doing things....obviously the bakers figured the new way was "new and improved".  So I will give it a try...seems like it might be a nice way of working with piano roll views.  I've just been away from Sonar for a while doing video work.  And was a little taken back when I saw all of my piano roll tabs we no longer individual tracks.
 
I will play around with using it both ways and see which way is more productive for my work flow.  Thanks again guys...!

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/26 20:40:41 (permalink)
Sorry bakers. Hate the new piano roll "feature".

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/26 21:23:48 (permalink)
Hey guys -
 
To get familiar PRV behavior in the latest Early Access (and upcoming 04 Release), try this:
 
In the PRV's "View" Menu, make sure the item "Filter To Selection On Open" is checked, and "Show Audio Tracks" is un-checked.  Now when you open the PRV, the contents will open with the selected clip or track, just like it used to.  You can also lock the contents of that tab and expect the track data to stay put in each PRV tab.  If you want to change the contents at any time, just click the Filter button to turn it off and add/subtract whatever tracks you want.
 
That being said, I'm going to run some tests to see if we've broken something for existing projects, or if we've made the experience worse.  Stay tuned.
 
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/27 14:28:06 (permalink)
Bob Currie [Cakewalk]
 
That being said, I'm going to run some tests to see if we've broken something for existing projects, or if we've made the experience worse.  Stay tuned.
~Bob


How about clicking on a note and making that track selected and active for editing?
I don't mind if there's an *option* to disable that behavior but
loosing it all together would be a real slow down in work flow.



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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/27 14:31:36 (permalink)
Hi Steve_Karl, if I understand you correctly......turn off the AutoLock?
 
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/27 14:50:03 (permalink)
Thanks Bob

If that is the way to get it working then thanks.
I didn't see that defined so clearly in the documentation.

To be clear,
So, in 2017.04 when AutoLock is off, clicking on a note now moves to that track in track view on the right, and highlights that track?

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/27 14:58:58 (permalink)
Apologies if it's not clear.  The bottom line is:
 
You can still get old behaviors, but there are some new defaults that you may need to tweak.  The Auto-Lock button at the top of the Track List Picker View defaults to ON, so you'll see any data that you highlight in the picker list - but you'll only be able to edit the current/active track.  If you turn the Auto-lock button OFF, you'll be able to switch tracks by selecting notes on the piano roll grid.  It is also handy for selecting notes and events across mutliple tracks and editing them all together - just like it used to work.
 
FWIW - and this is just me - I find I'm always making mistakes (adding notes on tracks where they don't belong, etc) when I have the Auto-Lock OFF, so I usually leave it ON.  This is because we no longer have to go to the Track-Pick dialog to change the tracks set -  the list of working tracks is always right there on the right, so I can quickly switch the current edited track for editing.  Hope this helps.  Cheers!
 
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/27 15:09:53 (permalink)
Yes. That's a bit more clear.
It sounds like we may have reclaimed the ability to "clone" (with Auto-Lock off) notes like in Sonar 4,
i.e. drag copying from one track to an other.
Like, for instance, duplicating a viola track to a second violin track creating a harmony or an octave higher.







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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/04/27 15:44:13 (permalink)
I am gradually coming to appreciate the PRV redesign, even though it took awhile to warm to it. I've no doubt that with user feedback they'll continue to smooth the wrinkles until everybody's happy. (Big thanks for the "show audio" option! That's been a nuisance since forever.)
 
Like Bob, I appreciate the auto-lock's prevention of accidentally editing the wrong track, something I do often. However, I usually turn the feature off, for two reasons. First, it's difficult to tell which locked track is which, because they're all the same color. Defeats the purpose of showing multiple tracks. Second, it's no longer possible to switch to another track by clicking on it. So I'll take my chances with auto-lock disabled for now, unless I know I'm only going to be editing one track.
 
 


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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/05/06 18:52:55 (permalink)
 
I asked this in the Software forum, but no replies over the last week.  I still can't get these selected tracks to remains saved after I reopen the project. The PRV goes back to unselected tracks. To clarify (I hope), what I want is behaviour just like PRV was up to version 2017.03. So:
 
I want a combination of tracks, say tracks 1 and 3, to be visible in one tab, and I want to save that view permanently, so when I open the project again, I still see tracks 1 and 3 in that tab.
Then I want another tab with, say tracks 2 and 4. Again I want this to be permanent, at least until I want to re-order things later on... and so on.
 
I've got as far as selecting tracks 1 and 3, only showing those in the tab, and filtering so only tracks 1 and 3 are in the track view list. When I right-click on the "Filter" button, I'd expect to save from the drop down menu - is that correct?  However, "Save" is greyed out and I can't save.
 
Ultimately, I'd like a range of tabs across the top, each with one or more tracks in them, and for these to remain saved, as they did before the PRV update.
 
Ideally - I would like the ability to name these tabs in PRV, rather than the bland "Piano Roll - Multiple Tracks" label. E.g. the tab with tracks 1 and 3 would be "Drums", the tab with tracks 2 and 4 would be "saxes" .. etc. I realise this is not a current feature, but it would be really good.  As it stands at 2017.04, PRV workflow has been reduced to the dark ages, unless I'm missing something obvious, which I hope is the more likely case.
 
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/05/06 21:09:45 (permalink)
Sorry I can't help other than to suggest you might possibly have a lens being active of a locked screenset causing it to revert to something you don't want.

Key phrase here once again might seem to be "Persistance of View." ( thank you CA )

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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/05/07 18:43:16 (permalink)
Thanks Steve,  it seems a messy route to take.  
To me the whole workflow of PRV is now much more cumbersome.
 
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/05/21 09:23:38 (permalink)
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Re: Piano Roll question.....it changed after update. 2017/05/22 04:07:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/05/22 22:36:56
I've found a much larger deal breaker.
Loosing the absolute independence between TV and PRV would set my work flow back to the stone age.
I see no new feature that outweighs this long standing previous to 2017.03 given essential.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3608747

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