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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/30 22:38:34 (permalink)
I like when the drums come in after the plucks started.  Was not expecting the synth pattern.  Why did you call it Pligram and Indians?  What section was the indians?  A little too repetitive over all but the sections are all really good.  Maybe just cut the whole thing down a bit?  I liked the plucked part section the best.  

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:27:29 (permalink)
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Sounds good as is to me. You always have cool ideas and this song continues with that trend.




Thanks Clint!  I think I need to do something more in the middle section though.  Still not sure what yet, but it'll come to me. :)

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:34:06 (permalink)

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:35:21 (permalink)
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Hey Walt!
 
This sounds very nice, but I agree that some sort of lead is missing in the middle section. Without that, it sounds like a soundtrack to a game (I'm thinking it reminds me strongly of the first Deus Ex, for reference). The mix, as usual, is excellent! Nice job on the transitions as well!
 
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Thanks Dan.  Yeah, the middle bit needs something.  I'm considering either a guitar or synth lead over top.  I'll report back when it's ready.

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:36:36 (permalink)
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Hi Walt
Love the mix.  Must admit I was expecting some Native American Chants to come in around 0.55 when the drums start.
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Thanks for the listen Alan!

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:38:32 (permalink)
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Nice track, full of good ideas Walt. Could use some further development in terms of melody to help it stand as a piece of music just for listening, but I could imagine it working quite well with visuals as it is.

 
Thanks James.  You're right.

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Very nice mix.



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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:39:52 (permalink)
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Walt, sounds great to me. And finished. Love the bottom on this. If you're like me they are never finished, just let go.


I do tend to hang on to them too long sometimes, but I'm thinking this one isn't quite there yet.  Thanks for the listen Chas!

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:45:23 (permalink)
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Been awhile since I heard any of your stuff Walt. I liked the way the intro built up from just classical into something else. 
 
Would make a great video song depending on the video.

 
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I'm typically a simple I IV V americana musician, so this genre is a little out of my zone.
 
I liked the first movement best, where the strings (cellos or bass?) are playing that eighth note rythm.
 
Very professional.


Thanks for listening Scott.  I appreciate that you gave it a shot even though it was so different.  I've been enjoying shifting styles in my music, mid-song.  Sorry that the synth coming in probably surprised you a bit. ;)




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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:50:00 (permalink)
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I really like your style Walt!!  This is very cool!  It reminds me (for some reason) of the music from the film "Requiem For A Dream".  But I really dig "Among The Stars".  That is one of my favorites of yours!!!




Thanks so much Don!  I just looked up that movie and it looks pretty freaky. ;)  I usually stick with tamer stuff like sci-fi or action movies myself.
 
Thanks for also checking out "Among The Stars"!  That one needs an ending, probably a simple fade.

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:51:38 (permalink)
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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/01/31 10:55:58 (permalink)
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I like when the drums come in after the plucks started.  Was not expecting the synth pattern.  Why did you call it Pligram and Indians?  What section was the indians?  A little too repetitive over all but the sections are all really good.  Maybe just cut the whole thing down a bit?  I liked the plucked part section the best.  

 
Thanks Jimmy.  Actually it was originally for Herb's holiday songwriting contest, last Thanksgiving/Christmas.  I was trying to semi-comically chronicle the "first thanksgiving", with the classical sections representing the puritanical pilgrims, and the hipper, bolder synth stuff representing the native American Indians.  Then the mid/end break part is supposed to be a fight breaking out, with guns going off and such.
 
I'm going to be adding some layers in the middle to make it more interesting.

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/01 00:02:04 (permalink)
That's really cool Walt, and grooves along well.  I'm not sure I have much to say, it's all very well done and produced. 

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/01 08:27:05 (permalink)
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That's really cool Walt, and grooves along well.  I'm not sure I have much to say, it's all very well done and produced. 


Thanks Wayne.  I've just added some "tribal" sounding drums (and a couple other layers and minor tweaks) to my in-house mix, but I've not uploaded it yet.  Still considering other changes.  I hope to post an update soon.

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/04 12:00:56 (permalink)
I've just uploaded the new "added drums" mix.  I hope people will like it.

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/05 17:42:40 (permalink)
Listening again Walt, I really like your style as a composer, the slightly off-centre arrangement of strings at the beginning, the interesting synth sounds, the minimalist repetition that never gets dull and the percussion... Is that all programmed beats?

There's something I really like about repetition that never quite sounds repetitive... It plays with the boundary between familiar and unfamiliar, creating something layered and very listenable.

Well done.

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/05 18:34:06 (permalink)
Wayne Joseph Kington
Listening again Walt, I really like your style as a composer, the slightly off-centre arrangement of strings at the beginning, the interesting synth sounds, the minimalist repetition that never gets dull and the percussion... Is that all programmed beats?

There's something I really like about repetition that never quite sounds repetitive... It plays with the boundary between familiar and unfamiliar, creating something layered and very listenable.

Well done.



Thanks for the re-listen Wayne.  The drums are made up of a few different things, actually:
  1. Battery 4 is the main drum part, starting around 0:54, is a midi loop running through an old school 909 kit
  2. AAS Ultra Analog is doing an "Electragroove" arpeggiation starting around 1:13
  3. Kontakt 5 starts around 1:50 with the tribal rhythms that I used from the West Africa discovery series (kinda cheating, as I don't have any real American Indian drums).  The West Africa drums library has a really cool way of triggering their drum sample loops.  Each octave does something different, with each note in that octave providing a different variant on what that octave is doing.  For example, from C1-B2 are the 12 variants of the main rhythm ensembles, then from C2-B3 are the 12 variants of the "solo djembe" phrases, then from C3-B4 are the single djembe hits, from C4-B5 are the single stroke dunun hits, etc.  Of course you get to sync the tempo and set the knobs for the right feel/intensity, etc.  It's pretty fun to play with!
  4. AAS Chromaphone, doing a low tom simple "Indian beat" in the middle section around 2:08 for a short while
As far as the somewhat (admittedly) repetitive style of my writing, I usually try to vary something on a theme that gets woven into some other part of the song.  I feel it's important to allow the listener (even a first time listener) an opportunity to "hum along" and feel like they know where it's going.  That doesn't mean that surprises aren't good too!  But I do like to let folks learn the song a bit and then re-use that familiarity later in the song.
 
I guess it's something I learned doing pop/rock music for all those years.  Everyone wants to hear the chorus early and often, so they can start singing along.  Well, this ain't pop/rock, but that doesn't mean I can't use some of the same writing tricks in my electronic music. :)

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/05 19:14:25 (permalink)
Sounds great! Nice grooves all the way. The congas part adds intensity to an already intense tune. Good job!

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/06 12:06:27 (permalink)
nice mix of genres and it really keeps your attention throughout.
I'm not sure you're allowed to call them Indians anymore - you have to call them Native Instruments
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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/06 13:24:44 (permalink)
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Sounds great! Nice grooves all the way. The congas part adds intensity to an already intense tune. Good job!


 
Thanks equality!  I appreciate the listen and comments.

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nice mix of genres and it really keeps your attention throughout.
I'm not sure you're allowed to call them Indians anymore - you have to call them Native Instruments



Haha!  Perhaps they are the knights who said NI?  (o.O)
 
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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/02/06 13:28:46 (permalink)
I like both versions

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/03/01 10:37:21 (permalink)
The drums make a 'huge' difference by adding much energy.  The synth coming in around 1:00 is natural now.  Still love those strings at the beginning:)

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (unfinished) 2014/03/01 15:19:41 (permalink)
Thanks guys. :)

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Re: Pilgrims And Indians (new "added drums" mix 4 Feb) 2014/03/05 12:58:15 (permalink)
Very cool, and a nice mix to boot!!

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