Pink Floyd "Sorrow" in warp

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2014/05/21 18:30:49 (permalink)

Pink Floyd "Sorrow" in warp

This is a fun piece to play along with, its got a kick. Put together some chords from Sorrow, but instead of learning the lead, I took the easy way out and just jam to it. My short fingers keep me from blazing a guitar lead, let alone just warm it up.   Will have to get brother to redo the leads. He has a near perfect rendition of "Sorrow" on my SoundCloud page.
 
Re-Mix:5-30-14
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post edited by CaptG - 2014/05/31 17:42:48

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/22 09:54:06 (permalink)
    first, it needs some compression, the rms levels are way too low.  I hear some unflattering distortion on something.
     
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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/22 18:23:15 (permalink)
    I second everything Beagle said. It sounds to me like the distortion may be coming from the bass guitar. The mix is good , aside from the things mentioned, to my ears. Cool tune , like the guitar tone and the playing.

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 11:02:03 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback. The bass has a bit too much gain causing it to be on verge of distortion when booming, I didn't notice til you both mentioned it. I don't understand about using compression (on what?) and rms levels being too low (what indicates this so I can be aware on future projects) Is the overall vol low?. I am trying to educate myself on these and other past comments using the Sonar help manual, but dang our nuclear reactor manual isn't that complicated. I wonder if I am relying too much on vol mix by ear instead of visual use of the meters using the console (which I haven't been using). I hate to redo the bass track since the drums are on it also, I may try a lower vol on that track and same on other tracks and then bring final mix vol up to compensate (which may put the distortion right back-will see) thanks all cap

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 14:31:54 (permalink)
    +1 to the above: good performance, the mix just needs some work.
     
    I'm sure there are more appropriate articles for DAW use, but this podcasting article covers some of the basics so still might help. 
    http://auphonic.com/blog/2011/07/25/loudness-normalization-and-compression-podcasts-and-speech-audio/
     

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 14:37:51 (permalink)
    Lowered vol on track with bass, and then raised master vol a tad. Has this made the song unbalanced? I put this together just to jam and practice one afternoon, so I don't know if it is worth starting from scratch to get bass track right unless I can improve the lead some (high on enthusiasm, low on talent) cap

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 14:46:31 (permalink)
    I'm a novice at mixing myself. But for what it's worth, I like the mix. I especially like the sound of the guitars. You put some nice texture in there with the keyboards too. 
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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 15:14:24 (permalink)
    My music turns out that way too, because I am using Sonar 32 bit program, I guess the 64-bit programs must go louder, or else they are talking about loudness wars, which I am not in.
     
    previous posts point out the mix in the song then.
     

     
     
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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 18:00:54 (permalink)
    hmmmmm sound good but i this the drum need work. are they analog?
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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/23 18:33:42 (permalink)
    Yeah, the bass and drums were made some time ago and put together on single track. Would help to lay down separate tracks, but right now my drum selection is not ideal. Thanks for the comments. I may have to keep going on this one. cap

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/24 03:09:59 (permalink)
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here, I thought the mix was pretty spot on. I really cranked it up and thought it sounded very 70's ish, with lots of guitar right up front. With a bit of compression on the drums (read snare), and the master bus, there could be a better overall balance between the lead and the rhythm, which could make it sound more modern, but I think it's very close as is.

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/24 05:52:38 (permalink)
    To my ears the mix sounded good. Just very quiet. The drums do need some care and love though, as they are they sound flat and not overly realistic. Good solid gt work. :) 

     
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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/24 09:45:40 (permalink)
    Thanks again, I'm checking out stevec's link on basics for DAW, I just not sure when someone refers to adding compression to the drums and master bus what they mean. But sounds like good advice so I'm going there. Its just I hate having to read a manual before I break something (backwards logic).
    I need a good drum sw, any suggestions? I have tried using two fingers as sticks playing keys using a couple different percussion sw but found that I not only had no singing voice, but no rythem either. And the library sets didn't suit my stlye.
    What has humbled me is the nice compliments on my guitar, which I know is not flashy, smooth and not always exactly on key (which is intentional sometimes like Hendrix and Trower) Constructive critisim this forum provides puts a lot of ears and knowledge on your work, so as a longtime beginner I test what I understand, and struggle with terms, hints or advice on those I'm not familiar with. My wife says I ought to get one of those special guitars for short finger people, when I realised she was refering to a ukalalee I asked her, "ever wonder how many groupies in the past chased after the lead ukalalee player after a concert?" went right over her head. And besides Hendrix would been in extreme danger as ukalalee's are very flamable. ok I'll stop. no progress yet on redo of drum-bass track. cap

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/24 10:21:50 (permalink)
    Just realized the re-mix version of Sorrow Jam was not being uploaded in SoundCLick. I deleted and re-mix is now uploaded. Also, I could not upload anything to SoundCloud, anyone else having problems? cap
    Got some education on applying compression and rms levels - it did go in one ear..... but don't know where it went after that
     
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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/05/25 13:34:57 (permalink)
    the overall mix i think sounds great, it's just the volume is low. i'm kinda going around listening to a bunch of people's stuff this morning and it's noticeably lower than anyone else's. that being said it sounds really cool.

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/06/09 12:44:34 (permalink)
    brought vol up on last remix, thanks

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/06/09 12:59:50 (permalink)
    I must have listened to an improved version as this mix seemed pretty decent to me. You could make it hotter but it wasn't really necessary from my end. Nice instrumental!

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/06/09 14:18:19 (permalink)
    Hmm would like to hear the version with vocals.
     
    Seen the man play this a number of time live not heard the same lead twice same hooks.

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    Re: Hows my Mix 2014/06/10 19:26:51 (permalink)
    thanks Starise
    Wookiee-man I wish I could sing, it would give another dimension to my music. my soundcloud page has my brother's version of "Sorrow" with his first attempt at singing and wasn't too bad, but his guitar work was a near copy of Gilmour, as is his version of Gilmour's "Raise my Rent", guitar lead starting at the 1:05 mark. This lead and lead in "Another Brick in the Wall" are my all time favorite guitar leads. I envy you seeing this guy play live.

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