Pitch Bend Wheel Vibrato wont go away.

Record a quick take and check the event list. From what you have posted it is possible your keyboard is not returning to zero properly. I am not sure which controller you are using, but "most" calibrate on startup. If you cycle the pitch wheel, then turn on the controller does it persist? SONAR's event list is your best guide for what is happening.

May be I think in the wrong direction, but...
 
Pitch Bend Wheel supposed to shift the pitch, the hardware controller normally return it to zero when you no longer touch it. Even in case it is not at zero, it just creates "out of tune" sound.
 
What normally creates "vibrato" is the Modulation Wheel. It is physically "in the near" (or even combined) with the Pitch Ben Wheel. But in many cases it does not return itself to zero.
 
In the Even List, Pitch Bend Wheel produce special "Pith Bend" events. The  Modulation wheel produce "Controller Changes (CC)" number 1 events.

bitflipper
I assume this is a MIDI track. Just open the controller pane in the PRV and see what the status of the wheel is. Because SONAR backtracks to pick up the last controller value, starting playback after a pitch wheel change will result in the last wheel value being re-applied. That's why I always make a point of inserting a 0-value pitch wheel event after each wheel movement. 

Interesting, I will take a look.
 

bitflipper
The other possibility is that there's a problem with the pitch wheel itself. It is a mechanical device, and may contain two potentiometers that can get dirty or scratched on their resistive strips. Try recording a track without touching the wheel and then check the PRV or the Event List to verify that there are no wheel events. If there are, it could be your controller that's at fault.

You speak like a true engineer. :)
I am using the Yamaha Montage 8, and I agree; it could be mechanical but given the keyboard is about a month old, I am thinking it's configuration related. But Hardware failures are not impossible, even for new instruments.
 

mettelus
Record a quick take and check the event list. From what you have posted it is possible your keyboard is not returning to zero properly. I am not sure which controller you are using, but "most" calibrate on startup. If you cycle the pitch wheel, then turn on the controller does it persist? SONAR's event list is your best guide for what is happening.

I am not at the computer now but will soon.

And also, recently, I made a change to Sonar, under Project --> MIDI, I unchecked the box which Zero Controllers.
I unchecked the box because, each time I set a volume on a track, then stop a song, the volume goes right back to loud. This was driving me crazy. The issue went away when I unchecked the box. Do you think this is related?
 

azslow3
Pitch Bend Wheel supposed to shift the pitch, the hardware controller normally return it to zero when you no longer touch it. Even in case it is not at zero, it just creates "out of tune" sound.
 
What normally creates "vibrato" is the Modulation Wheel. It is physically "in the near" (or even combined) with the Pitch Ben Wheel. But in many cases it does not return itself to zero.
 
In the Even List, Pitch Bend Wheel produce special "Pith Bend" events. The  Modulation wheel produce "Controller Changes (CC)" number 1 events.

You are correct, I am using the MOD wheel, however, on most Keyboards, this is combine: For example: On Korgs, and Roland the Back and Front direction causes the Mod or vibrator effect, and the Left/right affects the Pitch.

I used the term Pitch simply because it is the most popular reference to this control/device.

Sorry for the confusion.

No, mod wheels don't typically have return springs. Mine does, but it's not typical.
 
My same advice applies, though. Given the newness of your keyboard, I'd move failure of the controller way down the list of suspects (although assembly issues do occur on new stuff; it's why I'm reluctant to buy new cars). But mod (CC1) events will show up in the PRV too, so you can determine whether the controller is not returning to zero. If you can manually set the CC1 value to zero in the PRV and the vibrato persists, then there's a problem with the soft synth.

UPDATE:
Hello everyone: 
I need to update you on this issue.
 
I contacted Yamaha, I mean when you pay $4000 for a Keyboard someone better answer the phone. 
Unfortunately, this issue has nothing to do with the Montage.

I was able to isolate the problem to the Roland Fantom XR and the Roland Integra 7. 
I closed Sonar and connected the controller directly to the Modules, bypassing the MIDI interface and the problem persisted, confirming this had nothing to do with Sonar. I also tried a different controller and the problem persisted.

I contacted Roland this morning and was able to solve the problem on the Integra but still working on the Fantom.

The problem arises when the Channel After Touch is set to on on the Integra. Any patch played will have a Vibrato or pitch bend like effect. Luckily, this is a per channel function, not global, and so I was able to turn it off and the problem stopped on the Integra.

Importantly, this happens based on how hard you hit the keys, the harder you hit, the more it sounds vibrato like.

Now the same features are on the Fantom but I do not know how to turn this off, the guy from Roland was helping me but he did not know how to do it either and so he has promised to call back.

This has been dreadful for me, really killed my creativity.

On the Montage, I turned off the function to Transmit Channel After Touch but it does not work, you have to turn it off on the Part/channel in the Source Machine.

I will let you all know how things turn out.


Thanks everyone.

Audioicon
The problem arises when the Channel After Touch is set to on on the Integra. Any patch played will have a Vibrato or pitch bend like effect.

On the Montage, I turned off the function to Transmit Channel After Touch but it does not work, you have to turn it off on the Part/channel in the Source Machine.

 
If you release the keys, aftertouch should return to zero. If this is not the case, any sound responding to aftertouch cannot know you have released the keys and will continue modulating.
 
Record MIDI with your Montage's aftertouch turned on and then look at the recorded aftertouch events.
If they are not returning to zero, your Montage has a problem

tlw
I wouldn’t give up on aftertouch, it can be really useful though it does take some practice to get used to controlling it.

 
Agreed! But for this particular part, I did not need it and could not play the part, because every time I try to play something, it just gets in there, like an annoying classmate or relative.

tlw
Record MIDI with your Montage's aftertouch turned on and then look at the recorded aftertouch events.
If they are not returning to zero, your Montage has a problem.

The Montage does allow you to turn off After Touch per PART but doing this did not solve the problem. On the Fantom XR, this Vibrator like sound is built into the patch wav settings.

tlw
As for combined pitch and mod joysticks, I gave up on them years ago because I found it almost impossible to send just pitch bend or modulation. I much prefer two separate wheels, with the mod wheel unsprung so it stays where I put it. That way I can add mod wheel and let go of the wheel so my left hand can do something else without the mod wheel dropping back to zero.

 
The Montage does have two separate wheels and the MOD wheel does not have a spring.

What I also discovered is that this incident or feature is exclusive to the Roland, as I do not get this issue playing the MOTIF or MOTIF ES.

Thanks my friend.

bitflipper
Do you use a MIDI multiplexer such as a MIDI Express? 

Not certain, I am using the MOTU MIDI Express 128 (MIDI interface) connected to the computer.
The montage is connected to one of it's input.

In the Integra 7, you can turn off Channel After Touch per MIDI channel, so if you do not need it on a part, just turn it off.
However, on the Fantom XR, this effect like sound, is set into the Sound Wave it self. You have to go into the Patch turn it off then save the patch.

Roland has placed this on most of the Bass Guitars, well at least in my Integra 7 and Fantom XR.

Even in Sonar the Record After Touch is set to off by default and you can turn it on, this explains why I can her after touch but it does not record with a MIDI track.

This thing sound like Auto Pitch Bend  for some sounds, like a Bird crying for mom. Most annoying sound.
Lastly, the Fantom Vibrato was set to zero, which is why I was lost.

This thread on the Roland forum has similar issues, closely related to mine.
http://forums.rolandclan....p?t=23386&p=140131

By the way, I only purchased this Montage for the Key bed, it was either the Montage or the Kawai VPC1.

>> Another annoying thing is that the Montage MOD Wheel does not have a spring
>> and so you have to try to get it to center of bring it all the way down.
 
The pitch wheel should be in the center and the mod wheel should be all the way down.
If you press down hard on the keys, then reduce pressure, does the amount of vibrato change?

>> Yes, this happens based on how hard I am hitting the keys.
 
Not how hard you are hitting, that's velocity. How hard you are pressing down after you hit. That's aftertouch.
Based on your forum thread you quoted, I'm not sure you understand the difference.
 
>> Do you have Channel After Touch on? If so try playing something like a Bass Guitar.
 
Yes. I have gone to Tone Finder, E.Bass tab and tried a bunch. None react to aftertouch.
The Integra-7 has hundreds of bass sounds. Give me a specific one that's troubling you.