LENovik
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Pitch correction
Regarding pitch correction for voice-with Melodyne-I have 2 problems. On the older brand of pitch correction 5-10 years ago, I could “write” the tone. If I recorded a tone that had too much variation. I would have a tool where I could just write a straight line to replace the wavy one. Then I thought that perhaps if I could dial in a higher resolution, perhaps those segments would be broken up already, making them more amenable to raising or lowering. Any thoughts on this.
Lastly, I had a problem while editing in Melodyne with the measure numbers. The top of the screen had measures marked as usual, but the measures in the Melodyne field, near the bottom of my screen, did not have numbers. Usually, the measures in the Melodyne screen ARE numbered. Does anyone know what I may have pressed to make these disappear?
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/11 12:01:24
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Which version of melodyne are you using? Features such as pitch modulation and drift correction are only available in Assistant, editor and Studio. Essentials, which is included with Sonar, does not.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/11 12:49:46
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Which version of melodyne are you using? Features such as pitch modulation and drift correction are only available in Assistant, editor and Studio. Essentials, which is included with Sonar, does not.
Essential does have pitch modulation and drift correction. I use them both regularly.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/11 23:50:20
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Thanks for the replies, though they don't match. So I guess it's called drift correction. I DID notice that when I try to automatically change pitch, I believe I see horizontal lines that let you dial in the amt of pitch correction and drift correction. Of course, sometimes one wants to include pitch drift while singing, so I'd rather not apply this to all my notes at once---though I guess I could just choose a small area to do this. Is there a particular way to perform drift correction on a small segment, such as what one would do with pitch correction?
For the record, I only have the version that came with Sonar X3--and I gather that would be "Essential."
ANd I assume one can't dial in a higher resolution to get the little blobs to break into smaller, more editable notes?
Lastly, I think I may have found out why my measure numbers were disappearing--I think I telescoped the area I was trying to edit so widely that the whole Melodyne editing screen just contained 1 measure!
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/12 01:11:19
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tenfoot
Which version of melodyne are you using? Features such as pitch modulation and drift correction are only available in Assistant, editor and Studio. Essentials, which is included with Sonar, does not.
Essential does have pitch modulation and drift correction. I use them both regularly.
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tenfoot
Which version of melodyne are you using? Features such as pitch modulation and drift correction are only available in Assistant, editor and Studio. Essentials, which is included with Sonar, does not.
Essential does have pitch modulation and drift correction. I use them both regularly.
That might come as a surprise to Celemony! We may be talking about different things. It doesn't according to their comparison chart. http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/editions
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/12 01:34:24
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I replied to this thread earlier, apparently it got lost or removed. So I will try again with the same reply.
Melodyne Essentials has Pitch Modulation and Drift Correction, But it is on a limited basis.
I believe what the OP was talking about was drawing a Pitch correction LINE and Modulation line rather than being limited as Essentials is.
This is one reason I have been considering purchasing Waves TUNE because that does allow those features. And I own Sonar Platinum and Melodyne Essentials.
I guess I am one of the unfortunate ones where monetary means go because there was an offer over the holiday season to purchase the top of the line for Melodyne "Studio" I think it is for 299 as an upgrade but I just couldn't because I didn't have the money to do so.
As was pointed out earlier : "Yes you can do BASIC PITCH DRIFT correct which is LOCKED to AUTO adjust and BASIC Modulation ADJUST which is locked to AUTO with Melodyne Essentials", NO, you cannot DRAW the lines and fine tune those things which I believe is what the OP was asking to begin with.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/12 01:48:07
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Thanks. This seems to clear it up. I did however try that pitch drift which didn't do much of anything. I'll try it again. Perhaps I was not choosing the correct segment at the time to edit. I assume one simply has to left click and drag on an area that one wants to edit.
I had also seen that offer during the holidays to get the complete Melodyne for another $300, and I thought that was NOT for me--too expensive for my limited needs. I heard you mentioning all of the other versions of Melodyne, and perhaps some of the less expensive versions have that capability. I doubt that I want to try a whole new program.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/12 02:02:37
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I just did some research and found that all of the versions of Melodyne---OTHER THAN the Essentials version--can do manual pitch drifting editing.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/12 02:06:33
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tenfoot
Which version of melodyne are you using? Features such as pitch modulation and drift correction are only available in Assistant, editor and Studio. Essentials, which is included with Sonar, does not.
Essential does have pitch modulation and drift correction. I use them both regularly.
It has "Auto drift+pitch correction" but does not have the drift correction tool or the modulation tool. Its one of the reasons I upgraded (to have those tools).
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/12 12:13:16
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Melodyne studio is freaking awesome once you get into all of it's functions. You wouldn't believe the turds I've polished with that:)
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/13 18:14:24
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I did go into Melodyne and simply chose 1 blob that had too much variation in pitch in it. Since, as I've said, I only have Melodyne Essentials, I simply then chose the automatic drift correction tool. When looking at it with just this 1 small blob chosen, I was able to clearly see the drift get less intense as I dragged the lever all the way to 100%. However, it only took care of what looked to be about 40% of the pitch drift--not enough of what I was hoping for. Thus, I guess I have to get the next model up, which is Assistant, for another, I believe, $150.
ONe other question: I had read that one could simply break up each "blob" into smaller ones, IN that way, I could just adjust the pitch or pitch drift in each smaller blob. However, I don't think I see any tool for that, suggesting Essentials can't do that either. Any thoughts?
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/14 01:17:25
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ONe other question: I had read that one could simply break up each "blob" into smaller ones, IN that way, I could just adjust the pitch or pitch drift in each smaller blob. However, I don't think I see any tool for that, suggesting Essentials can't do that either. Any thoughts?
Hover over the top of the blob until you see the split tool icon appear. Then "Double Left click".
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/16 00:25:33
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Thanks. I WAS able to split certain "blobs'. However, even so, I could not get enough to level off the pitch variation within that smaller "blob." Theoretically, if you could split the blob in enough smaller pieces, you could level off everything. My program would only let me split it once, and only in one area. Perhaps because I had already tried to edit that part, or perhaps there IS a limit to how much splitting one can do.
I guess I have to spring for the Melodyne Assistant upgrade, which will allow me to draw pitch lines when necessary.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/16 03:03:04
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LENovik
...On the older brand of pitch correction 5-10 years ago, I could “write” the tone. If I recorded a tone that had too much variation. I would have a tool where I could just write a straight line to replace the wavy one. Then I thought that perhaps if I could dial in a higher resolution, perhaps those segments would be broken up already, making them more amenable to raising or lowering...
I'm guessing that you are referring to V-Vocal. If you would like to keep on using it, you can. Just install an older version of Sonar (X2 or earlier). V-Vocal with then show up alongside Melodyne in the menu of the current version. Some of us actually prefer it to Melodyne.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 11:10:28
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Wow, that's interesting. A few questions about that: 1)Do I need to install all of Sonar 8.5 (my earlier version) in order to get V Vocal, or can I just install the V Vocal program found somewhere in the 8.5 discs? I do have enough room on my hard drive, so I could do that if necessary. 2)I assume I can have both 8.5 and X3 (which I now use) installed on the same computer, and that installing 8.5 won't get rid of the X3 version. Is that true?
THanks.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 11:24:09
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Actually, I just looked up V Vocal links and found the following from 2015:
"V-Vocal is a DirectX plug-in, pointing the VST scanner to the folder is not a good idea. VST reset/rescan also will not help for the same reason. If V-Vocal needs to be reinstalled, there is no separate check box for the plug-in in the advanced install checklist. Reinstalling V-Vocal is part of the SONAR executable installation, the first check box in the checklist."
THus, I guess I would have to resinstall all of Sonar 8.5, but before I do, I would like to make sure that it will not get rid of my Sonar X3.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 11:36:38
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I apologize for this in advance, since I'm shifting gears again, but as I change my thinking to see myself now working with V Vocal---which I do remember to be pretty intuitive and effective---I'm realizing that I was finally getting used to using Melodyne. When I say "used to," I have now used Melodyne for a week or two in the past 6 months. But at least I'm getting to be able to navigate thru it a little. NOw I would have to relearn V Vocal. Since I would save $150 (the upgrade to Melodyne Asst,) that's certainly worth doing, unless people think Melodyne is definitely better. I realize you said the jury is out on which one is better, though I'm thinking that V Vocal is not currently active--or, at least, when I've read a few threads, nobody seems to mention it anymore.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 11:47:11
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There is no jury. Melodyne is light years ahead of V Vocal.
Those who prefer V Vocal over Melodyne are those who just don't want to learn method of working which I totally understand. There are certain plug ins that I use which are dated and better, more intuitive methods are available, im just lazy. But V Vocal compared to Melodyne.. Its not even a close. Light years.
One was introduced 10 years ago, the other is being updated every few months.
Technology has changed quite a bit in 10 years. New algorithms are being introduced.
Melodyne is ARA, V Vocal is Direct X. <- That says it all really.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 14:42:32
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Thanks. That's clear, mostly. Except the part: Melodyne is ARA, V Vocal is Direct X. <- That says it all really.
What says it to me is when you say Melodyne is light years ahead of V Vocal and that it is a more current program that is being updated regularly.
For all I know, ARA could be the American Rabbit Association and Direct X could be a new video game.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 16:03:28
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What it means is Melodyne is capable of turning Audio into Midi.
Melodyne has multiple algorithms. Melodyne is more detailed with more tools.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/17 23:43:57
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I just purchased the upgrade to Melodyne. However, after installation and when I try to open a new instance of the Region FX, I see the Melodyne field appear on the bottom of the screen for 1 second===and then it disappears. I have tried to scroll up and down, but can't seem to find where it's hiding. At least I hope it's hiding; perhaps I installed something incorrectly. Does anyone know how to find Melodyne AFTER I've opened a Region FX on a song.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/18 00:09:34
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...Melodyne is light years ahead of V Vocal...
Maybe you are using an edition of Melodyne that you purchased separately rather than the one one bundled with Sonar. It can't do some of the things that V-Vocal does, e.g. curve drawing or formant control.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/18 00:28:02
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No, I don't think so, I purchased it as an add on to Melodyne essential, and it was called Melodyne Assistant. I was able to see it in the same pull down menu that I usually use. In fact, when Sonar first came on after installing the program, the plug in detector said that it had detected one new plug in. I just have a feeling that there is a button or icon somewhere which should place the Melodyne view on the bottom of the screen--as opposed to its being hidden now. Of course, that's just a feeling, and I have no idea why I can't find it.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/18 02:00:06
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...Do I need to install all of Sonar 8.5 (my earlier version) in order to get V Vocal, or can I just install the V Vocal program found somewhere in the 8.5 discs?...I assume I can have both 8.5 and X3 (which I now use) installed on the same computer, and that installing 8.5 won't get rid of the X3 version. Is that true?
Install Sonar 8.5 itself but untick all the options for plugins and extras. It will install as a separate program without overwriting X3. However it may possibly overwrite a couple of existing registry entries, so to be safe it is advisable to reinstall X3 afterwards.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/18 11:03:56
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I just purchased the upgrade to Melodyne. However, after installation and when I try to open a new instance of the Region FX, I see the Melodyne field appear on the bottom of the screen for 1 second===and then it disappears. I have tried to scroll up and down, but can't seem to find where it's hiding. At least I hope it's hiding; perhaps I installed something incorrectly. Does anyone know how to find Melodyne AFTER I've opened a Region FX on a song.
You might have to uninstall Melodyne essentials and reinstall Melodyne upgrade. Region FX always open in the Multidock. It may be necessary to show the dock to see the Region FX. If you can see the Multidock, Double click on the Region FX clip. This will open the ARA selection in the Multidock.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/18 12:00:20
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I did find the Multidock narrow strip at the bottom of my screen. I did double click on that, and a similar looking set of waveforms appeared on the bottom of my screen. HOwever, it doesn't look like Melodyne. At the very bottom, there is a small rectangular box which says, "loop contsruction," as opposed to Melodyne.
I did get another link to the new Melodyne in my Email, so I will try that now. ANd yes, I realize I might have to uninstall Melodyne Essentials. I must say I'm already getting a bit pissed that everything has to be so difficult.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/18 15:03:36
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I did contact the Melodyne support Email. Hopefully, in time, they will be able to help me.
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Re: Pitch correction
2018/02/19 03:03:19
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If you are just looking for quick and easy pitch correction on any voice or instrument you could always export your audio and import it into the Reaper Daw and use it's REATUNE plugin "Which you can use for free for 60 days Free" although it still works with nothing changed after 60 days so I am told. Here's a video of REATUNE being used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVd8xpZ6rNU Here's another one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unf151LoED4 It wont let you draw pitch lines, but I get the impression that it is a little bit more harsh when it comes to pitch drift. You could always REWIRE and put the vocal track in REAPER and use REATUNE that way, or import the vocal track to REAPER and use REATUNE and export it back to however you wanted to use it. Interesting enough, Melodyne Essentials does work with AUDIO whether it's vocals or bass or whatever, but ONLY MONO. Same with REATUNE by REAPER. Either way, I have no idea if this is relevant to what you are trying to do, but I thought I would mention this in case it might help you or anyone else interested in this subject. I am no expert, NOT AT ALL! But much like you I am learning myself. Good Luck!
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