Play two synths with ONE midi track?

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2014/02/17 12:07:01 (permalink)

Play two synths with ONE midi track?

Hi,
 
Is it possible to play two vst synths with one midi track?
 
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    brundlefly
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/17 12:14:13 (permalink)
    No, but there are workarounds using virtual MIDI cables.
     
    Google: two synths one midi track site:forum.cakewalk.com

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/17 12:42:52 (permalink)
    This question comes up every now and then.
     
    Another choice it so copy/paste the midi data from one track to another, and point a different synth to the 2nd track.
     
    The above is how I layer in Sonar.
     
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/17 13:07:18 (permalink)
    I wish Cakewalk could explain to us WHY this is not build in natively...  Clearly there must be a reason.  I've used the virtual MIDI cables in the past and HOPED that by not this has bee sorted.
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/17 13:21:21 (permalink)
    Can't you play two different synths if they're both assigned to the same MIDI channel?

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/17 14:28:57 (permalink)
    Just having synths responding to the same channel doesn't address the need because every synth has its own virtual MIDI port, and SONAR is not set up to send MIDI to multiple ports. The conventional way to layer hardware synths in the real world is to daisy chain on the same port them using MIDI Thru, but most soft synths don't offer a Thru function.
     
    I'm not sure why the Bakers haven't gotten around to allowing multiple output ports to be selected. But I suspect there's something about the underlying architecture of the MIDI "engine" that makes it non-trivial.
     
     

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 07:59:28 (permalink)
    Surely it's simple just to "clone" the midi track and route it to another soft synth?
     
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 08:30:06 (permalink)
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    Surely it's simple just to "clone" the midi track and route it to another soft synth?



    That's what I do. Or use something multitimbral, like Kontakt.
     
    I assume Sonar isn't set up for multiple MIDI outs is that would involve a whole duplicate set of outputs, channel assignment, patch selection, etc.

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 08:37:15 (permalink)
    Yes, simple clone or copy the midi data to a new track and point it to a new synth. Repeat that as many times as you need. 
     
    The midi data takes virtually no space compared to the synths and their samples.

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 08:59:38 (permalink)
    The cloned clips will be linked, by default.  You can change that behavior by holding CTRL while dragging, except I think that clips created by Step Sequencer will always be linked, regardless (this is from memory, so please try it, rather than accept it as known fact).
     
    Also from memory, there may be an option to control that default behavior, except for SS clips.
     
    I routinely rely on linked clips when dragging to a new track to layer, as edits in any one of them will affect all of them, automatically, which means there is no extra time required, it just works.
     
    The only time I am NOT such a fan is when I have created a clip in Step Sequencer, then drag it out and want to edit only selected clips within that array of linked clips.  I end up having to recreate the clips I want to edit, so that they are not part of the linked ones.  I have not tried unlinking just those clips - I will try that today, as one of the things I am doing will result in this situation.
     
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 10:18:24 (permalink)
    I've downloaded the virtual midi cable app but I cannot figure out how to route it in SONAR to get the synths to play
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 10:29:57 (permalink)
    1) Create a MIDI track with input set to your controller, output to the virtual cable
    2) Insert a synth with the new MIDI (or instrument) input set to the virtual cable and repeat as necessary
    Make sure input echo is enabled in the MIDI track created in #1
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    post edited by scook - 2014/02/20 10:39:16
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 10:35:48 (permalink)
    Bob, The cloned tracks are linked but this is a good thing as you only need to edit one and te change will be global. If this is not desired then you copy paste to a blank track. I have been doing it both ways since midi was invented. 
    And it's not an issue to have the extra tracks as I like to be able to name them. 

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 10:52:23 (permalink)
    Yes I just copy and paste as well.

    Interesting. Seems ableton has more audio routing options. cubase has more midi routing options... Mapping is weak.

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 10:58:17 (permalink)
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    Bob, The cloned tracks are linked but this is a good thing as you only need to edit one and te change will be global. If this is not desired then you copy paste to a blank track. I have been doing it both ways since midi was invented. 
    And it's not an issue to have the extra tracks as I like to be able to name them. 


    I guess I didn't explain it very well.  What you do is exactly what I do, and have done for a million years.  I am not hampered whatsoever by having the multiple copies of the clips, as they are linked, and I can unlink ones that I need to.
     
    I just wish there was a way to dynamically affect the link/unlink behavior when dragging out clips created with Step Sequencer - like CTRL does when dragging clips created outside of Step Sequencer.
     
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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 11:09:37 (permalink)
    Sorry, guilty of not carefully reading your whole post. Only one coffee so far. :)
    An interesting behavior, is that if I clone a complete drum track, then go to the new track and highlight all the kick drums via the left hand keyboard icon, and delete them, they are only deleted from the cloned track, not the original. So there is only a certain level of linking going on there.  

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    Re: Play two synths with ONE midi track? 2014/02/20 14:39:07 (permalink)
    I don't need to do this type of layering that often, but when I do I use Mux:
    http://www.mutools.com/mux-product.html
     
    http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mux/using-vst-plugins.html
     

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