cossa
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Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
I just bought an HP Pavillion Laptop, I5 processor 2.5ghz, 6 gigs of ram, beats by dre audio, 64 bit system. I also just bought Sonar X1 Producer, and installed the 64 bit version. I realize that I am using an inferior onboard soundcard, and I am going to buy another USB soundcard for recording, but I would at least like to use the onboard soundard for playback when I travel and demo projects to other musicians. I am having two issues: Issue 1 is that the audio has a horrible crackly buzzy popping sound throughout any non silent portion. This happens if I use any of the demo projects, or if I simply start a new project and load in one wave file. Issue 2 is that the sound only plays through the headphone output and not the onboard speakers. I have Cakewalk Kinetic installed and neither issue one or two exists. The audio playback through Kinetic is pristine, and can play either through the speakers or the headphone outs. Anyone have any ideas?
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JSkeen
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/05 20:19:40
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What driver protocol are you using? use asio or wdm if possible. I have heard waspi isn't bad either. If you change it and still have trouble try raising the buffer up some. Hope that helps.
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/05 22:00:53
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/05 22:13:00
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Question: Are you using this HP Pavillion Laptop only for SONAR X1? The problem with consumer level systems is they come preloaded with lots and lots of crapola that steals a lot of processing power. And on top of this there is a lot of Windows 7 64-bit stuff running. You must do a lot of tweaking to get the system running lean. But if you plan on dual-purposing the system like using Office, checking email, surfing, online shopping, etc. then don't expect the DAW to work very efficiently all the time. It might do well with 2 or 4 tracks max but start adding in soft synths, FX, MIDI tracks, etc. and it most likely will have some kind of issue. Tweaking the system for audio will help a lot with DAW performance. Check out my post that talks about using DPC Latency Checker and tweaks I did to my system.
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cossa
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/07 19:04:28
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I will try these suggestions. What is strange is that it performs this same way (crackly and poorly) when running Sonar 7, and I currently run Sonar 7 on an 8 year old machine with a 2.8 ghz pentium, 3 gigs ram, and a soundblaste live soundcard and it works really well, so I would assume that Sonar 7 should be able to run at least that well on an I5 with 6 gigs of a ram and onboard sound. I mean, I will use a USB card for recording, but for playback and editing and mixing I think it should be able to run what I've recorded. It performs this way when I run one audio track. Would it make a difference if I installed the 32 bit version instead?
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sykodelic
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/07 19:56:43
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as crappy as soundblaster is I would imagine it is still better than onboard sound. If your just playing stuff back raise your buffers real high and you should be ok.
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agundrum
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/10 18:00:52
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cossa Would it make a difference if I installed the 32 bit version instead? Don't go 32-bit. It would be a step backwards. Deal with the basic OS first and see where it goes. An application no matter what will only run as lean as the underlying OS. Trying to tweak the application before the OS introduces a lot more headaches and you'll be running around in circles in frustration. John
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/10 18:09:28
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Just raise the audio buffers, esp. for playback. If you are recording that would make a difference, but for your listening pleasure a few ms ain't going to be noticed.
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JSkeen
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 03:09:49
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 10:05:35
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JSkeen i had trouble until I used this, http://support.presonus.com/entries/203607-studio-one-optimizing-windows-vista-7-power-settings-for-studio-one seriously sonar was unusable on my machine, motorboating and glitchy playback. There seems to be a lot of mixed results with this PreSonus optimization. While the settings are good to apply PreSonus has not stated where exactly these settings are made other than "in BIOS" and has instead provided a CMD file to make the settings. I would be very leary of using a CMD file to blindly make system changes. I would prefer to know where the settings are and set each one individually manually. This makes it easier to test and back out a change if it does bad things - which some have stated it does. Re-reading the PreSonus KB article and I am noticing PreSonus assumed a lot in the technical ability of users.
post edited by agundrum - 2011/06/11 10:09:27
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JSkeen
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 15:15:22
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It has worked great for me, i have not found much other information about it though. I was ready to trash my machine and someone posted a link to this and it has worked well for me. Although it would be nice to know the details under the hood.
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jbow
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 18:14:13
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Check out my post that talks about using DPC Latency Checker and tweaks I did to my system Can you help me understand your tweaks, in particular any that might affect security or general browsing. I am using windows classic, best performance, themes off, but I am not sure about disabling IPv6 or changing the Drive tweak from C to F orsomething. This is an i5 laptop with a 500mb 7200 RPM internal HD but I have a USB external drive for both backup, projects, loops, and samples. I also have an e-SATA port and am thinking about getting a SS drive for running current X1 projects on... Anyway if any of the tweaks have a downside for surfing and regular use I'd like to know, I don't need any sort of in depth info I'm just not sure if there is a downside to any of them considering I use this computer for other things too. I also disabled some Apple stuffI saw in services. With XP, I knew what to disable to make it run pretty good with S-7... I really.. really appreciate you taking the time to do what you have already done and if you have time to explain any of the tweaks (just a little, and only if there is any possible downside.. I do not care about having a pretty Windows desktop, I just care about performance and and my programs working as best they can. edit: DPC Latency Checker runs right around 120us on my laptop, sometimes it wil drop into the 70s and sometimes up to the 150s and about one a minute or so Iget a 605... I will keep at it until I get rid of the 605... this was with Norton running and the wireless combo and the HP stuff running. I know how to suspend Norton for a period of time, no problem there like it was with McAfee... I never could stop McAfee from running. I could set it to manual, stop it and in minutes it would re-start itself.... I am glad to be rid of it.. but I digress, I just want to know what I might be doing with some of the tweaks I don't understand, re: other (regular) use. I plan to get a Studicat box early next year, until then I dread the very thought of hitting a bottleneck. My computer is a Pavilion dm4 i-5 with the faster HD. Got the Octa-Capture but have not had time to try it out (I own and operate a small Exterminating business...22 years this month!! I am busy and just about tired of it, thank God I have a great employee... but again I digress). My wifehas to report Monday morning for federal jury duty... so I will be free of any "honey do" stuff I think... next week I want to get started and I REALLY do not want to hit any bottlenecks. I also bought an Alesis Control Pad and I got all my mics out, a cheap AKG, an MXL 2001, MXL 604, a Shure SM-57, and an old bullet mic.. an Astatic JT-30, shuld be fun... also got some KRK Rokit-8s and my old Yamaha PSR-2100... pickedup a Monster power conditioner and a good quality mic cable... I think I am ready but am scared to death I will set up and it won't work right...(been there, done that... didn't like it)... Anyway... folks like you, who take the time to work things out and then take the time to share with us are what make this and other forums such great places. (sorry so verbose but feeling good today). Thanks a bunch! Julien
post edited by jbow - 2011/06/11 18:34:19
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agundrum
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 19:42:47
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Julien, The ideal and best performing DAW workstation is one that is not used for anything like surfing, Office, email. It has just the DAW installed, plug-ins and other production software. If your dual-purposing your computer then you'll eventually run into problems. Hearing you have yet to use the Octa-Capture makes me worry that when you get to the free time you spoke about you're going to be spending half of it dealing with that and other issues. Especially if you start getting beyond 4 tracks with plug-ins and soft-synths going. If you'll be doing some basic 2 or 3 track stuff you should be fine. My system has no virus protection installed, is not used for surfing, checking email, playing games or anything else. Think of it like your exterminating equipment. You're not going to dual purpose your bug sprayer to water the plants around the house. Same thing with a DAW. As for IPv6 - not necessary and is used in business if at all. It's overhead that is not needed. DPC Latency Checker: From the results you are posting - 120us - you should be fine recording more than 4-tracks. The only way to really find out is do it! I would suggest running DPC Latency Checking as you're working to see what is happening. If you start to see it spiking then start dealing with applying tweaks that you understand. And from the sounds you already know to shut down (end process) and running tasks that are not needed. I think you'll be fine but be sure to get that Octa-Capture installed and working before your free time! John
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 20:43:12
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Thanks John... I intend to get her up and running 1st of the week. I wish I had the option of a dedicated DAW computer right now but I don't, not with X1. I have a Dell 5150 but it is maxed out at 1g of RAM but it is a P-4 runningat 2.8ghz. I have a desktop with similar specs but my wife uses it a lot for online business. I have an Audiophile 24/96 in it that I will pull when I get a SC computer (as soon as I can). It will be a dedicated X1 computer and I am probbably going to get a UAD Quad when I get it... I really like what I hear and read about the Studer A-800 plug and from what I can tell it would probably fill al my plugin needs with no strain on the computer... a decent Studiocat with a UAD Quad should leave me with nothing to think about but better mics, room treatment, better monitors, headphones, amps, guitars... you know... not much, laff. Thanks for the help. I will disable that IPv6 and try everything out with Norton sleeping and see what I get. I really think I m goingto be fine. I will probably be between 8 and 16 tracks but mostly audio. I expect to have a couple of synth tracks like piano or organ... maybe a little pads and 4-5 drum tracks in SD-3. I won't add effects on the master track while recording plan to use direct monitoring whenever I can. Of course I could be completely fooling myself but we will see. I'm sure I will be having some questions. Thanks, Julien
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/11 21:36:06
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OK I disabled IPv6 but I didn'tsee any change in DPC so I manally disabled everything I could in Norton, I still got a spike at 282 or about that didn't write it down... so I went back and enabled all the Norton stuff and I took the computer offline. I ran it for 6 minutes and peaked under 200, it was in the 170s but almost all the time it was between 75 and 110 us... so I think I am going to be fine with this Lappy as long as I keep it offline when using X1. Thanks for the help... sorry if I hijacked this thread, it wasn't my intent. J
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Re:Playback is crackly and poppy and terrible
2011/06/12 00:16:40
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cossa ...I realize that I am using an inferior onboard soundcard, and I am going to buy another USB soundcard for recording, but I would at least like to use the onboard soundard for playback when I travel and demo projects to other musicians... Cossa - You have your own answer in your post - I've never been able to get any kind of tolerable sound out of a built-in sound card. For two years I was using an HP Pavillion laptop similar to yours - first thing I did was get an interface for it. You simply have to get a real audio interface sooner than you'd planned. Really - it's as simple as that. Randy B.
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