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Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
I tried Strum 1 when Cakewalk first bundled it with Sonar, I thought it was junk. It refused to play the notes I put on the MIDI track but instead seemed to want to interpret them with not very good results. I guess I just never got the UI.
I was working on a track tonight that needed a fake acoustic guitar part buried in the mix. I wasn't getting the sound I wanted so I decided to give Strum another shot. I loaded an instance of the newish Strum 2 and pointed my MIDI track at it and lo and behold it played exactly what was on the track and sounded like an acoustic guitar. Perfect.
The next time I need an acoustic guitar sound, I'll probably grab Strum first instead of last. The new version is a huge improvement.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 02:59:25
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Tom , that's a great idea! I've been trying all night to get a decent guitar track down, but the neuropathy in my hands just won't let them cooperate. I can manage the Keys though!
Can ya help a guy with a direction on where to look it up?
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 04:01:48
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ye swhere is strum please! :) -Shawn
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 04:10:49
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Insert Synth -> VST2 -> Strum Acoustic Session -> Strum 2
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/08/13 04:18:35
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2015/08/13 04:12:36
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 04:32:00
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 05:16:32
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I have yet to experience this "Splat"...interesting choice of application name... -S
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 08:21:24
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I just got Pro, shucks! Is it for sale?
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 08:51:29
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The version that comes with Sonar Platinum (SPlat) is a stripped down version. It still works very well, but you don't have access to the midi files that come with the full version. I haven't worked with it enough to see what else it's missing.
But right now there is an offer to upgrade to the full version for SPlat users $49.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 09:46:03
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Not to take anything away from Strum 2, but a very good alternative acoustic guitar library is StrumMaker IV from Indiginus and going for about the same price range ($46). Very easy to create your own chords and strumming patterns. It does require you to have Kontakt 4.5 or higher. http://www.indiginus.com/StrumMaker4.html
post edited by Mesh - 2015/08/13 09:54:03
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 11:21:29
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Do these use your own guitar libraries for the actual samples, or do they come with samples? Given the price, I doubt they have their own sample libraries.
I have RealGuitar plus some other things (e.g., Vir2 Acoustic Legends, a Native instruments product I forgot the name of), and I like them but always want different sounds. If these could turn my various synth and soft-synth guitar libraries into strumming, that would be great. (I can do it by hand, but what a huge PITA.)
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 12:47:18
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konradh
Do these use your own guitar libraries for the actual samples, or do they come with samples? Given the price, I doubt they have their own sample libraries.
I have RealGuitar plus some other things (e.g., Vir2 Acoustic Legends, a Native instruments product I forgot the name of), and I like them but always want different sounds. If these could turn my various synth and soft-synth guitar libraries into strumming, that would be great. (I can do it by hand, but what a huge PITA.)
StrumMaker IV does use their own sounds and there seems to be a way to trigger sounds from other sound libraries. http://www.indiginus.com/faq.html Don't know about Strum 2's capabilities.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/08/13 12:59:53
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Strum is a synthesizer that physically models the sounds of the guitar. It doesn't use samples, so I don't think you will be able to use it to trigger external samples.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/25 00:41:49
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If I use AAS Strum Acoustic GS-2, can I do the following:
I. A MIDI Track - to send the chord notes
ii. Another MIDI Track - to send the pattern [Strumming keys / individual 6 keys]
AAS Strum Acoustic GS-2 converts the chords input to guitar fret keys and will play through AAS Strum Acoustic GS-2 audio engine.
I want to output MIDI data from AAS Strum Acoustic GS-2 to send to other MIDI instrument.
AAS Strum Acoustic GS-2 supports MIDI data send?
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 00:59:47
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I have Platinum, but I don't see Strum 2. I only have Strum acoustic session 1.01. Is Strum 2 included with Platinum?
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 01:09:11
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Strum 2 is pretty remarkable... no samples, loads lickety split... sounds amazing, very versatile... for 49 bucks you get wonderful acoustics and electrics...great strum engine... go to their website.,. check it out.
indegenous... been meaning to pick up their strum maker to try on strings and other things.
Orange Tree updated Evolution guitars are the real deal but way more money...
konrad... you will blow ur mind.... I have a zillion sampled "guitarz"... it is amazing what they've done with the improved modeling for the GS-2.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 05:05:47
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Only thing I wish if GS-2 would send the MIDI Out.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 05:26:58
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In another thread just posted the OP says he has left using Sonar for good.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 05:40:09
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I have Platinum, but I don't see Strum 2. I only have Strum acoustic session 1.01. Is Strum 2 included with Platinum?
I have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2" in addition to "Strum Acoustic Session 1" as VST2. So yes, limited version comes with Platinum. But note that GS-2 (full product) is not included, it is "special" version. The difference: Sonar version has 2 instruments with 12 presets each, no model tuning, no effects tuning and it is locked to Sonar. GS-2 has 6x30+ presets, works in other DAWs and standalone, includes the model and effects tuning.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 11:20:31
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gmp
I have Platinum, but I don't see Strum 2. I only have Strum acoustic session 1.01. Is Strum 2 included with Platinum?
I have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2" in addition to "Strum Acoustic Session 1" as VST2. So yes, limited version comes with Platinum. But note that GS-2 (full product) is not included, it is "special" version.
The difference: Sonar version has 2 instruments with 12 presets each, no model tuning, no effects tuning and it is locked to Sonar. GS-2 has 6x30+ presets, works in other DAWs and standalone, includes the model and effects tuning.
I think number of patterns are more in GS-2 full version?
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 15:02:13
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gmp
I have Platinum, but I don't see Strum 2. I only have Strum acoustic session 1.01. Is Strum 2 included with Platinum?
I have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2" in addition to "Strum Acoustic Session 1" as VST2. So yes, limited version comes with Platinum. But note that GS-2 (full product) is not included, it is "special" version.
The difference: Sonar version has 2 instruments with 12 presets each, no model tuning, no effects tuning and it is locked to Sonar. GS-2 has 6x30+ presets, works in other DAWs and standalone, includes the model and effects tuning.
I clearly don't have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2". I only have "Strum Acoustic Session 1". I have the full version of Platinum, but I haven't been completely consistent the way I've updated. In other words some of the versions of Platinum I never did install, assuming that the newest version would have everything all the other version had. Is this a wrong assumption? Or is it because Strum 2 has only been added recently? I'm 2 versions behind, because one of those versions had a known bug that made a loud hissing sound with some plugins like Ivory. I have all the versions of Sonar except X2.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 18:56:53
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Snehankur
I think number of patterns are more in GS-2 full version?
Well, you can check all numbers there: https://www.applied-acoustics.com/strum-gs-2/They list everything included. gmp
I clearly don't have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2". I only have "Strum Acoustic Session 1". I have the full version of Platinum, but I haven't been completely consistent the way I've updated. In other words some of the versions of Platinum I never did install, assuming that the newest version would have everything all the other version had.
Is this a wrong assumption? Or is it because Strum 2 has only been added recently? I'm 2 versions behind, because one of those versions had a known bug that made a loud hissing sound with some plugins like Ivory. I have all the versions of Sonar except X2.
I do not know in which pack that was included, according to the release notes, it was introduced in Foxboro: http://static.cakewalk.co...NAR_Foxboro_Update.pdf
post edited by azslow3 - 2015/12/26 19:09:04
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 20:40:04
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Snehankur
I think number of patterns are more in GS-2 full version?
Well, you can check all numbers there: https://www.applied-acoustics.com/strum-gs-2/
They list everything included.
gmp
I clearly don't have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2". I only have "Strum Acoustic Session 1". I have the full version of Platinum, but I haven't been completely consistent the way I've updated. In other words some of the versions of Platinum I never did install, assuming that the newest version would have everything all the other version had.
Is this a wrong assumption? Or is it because Strum 2 has only been added recently? I'm 2 versions behind, because one of those versions had a known bug that made a loud hissing sound with some plugins like Ivory. I have all the versions of Sonar except X2.
I do not know in which pack that was included, according to the release notes, it was introduced in Foxboro:
http://static.cakewalk.co...NAR_Foxboro_Update.pdf
Thanks for the useful info. Foxboro was around 7/2/15. This brings up a problem that many may not be aware of, which is you can't skip any updates or else you may miss out on plugins like the Strum 2. I wonder how may out there, like me, don't fully understand this new subscription service. I was under the assumption that I could skip an update without consequences like these. I wonder if I had been using Command Center that this wouldn’t have happened? The reason I don’t use Command Center is because I'm still using 32 bit Plat for a short time more until I finish the last big project I have in 32 bit. Last I check Command Center didn’t work right with 32 bit only 64 bit. Now the question is how do I find out which updates I did skip? Am I going to have to start all over with the first Platinum and do each update one at a time. What a mess that will be if that's the only way.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/26 20:59:27
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Snehankur
I think number of patterns are more in GS-2 full version?
Well, you can check all numbers there: https://www.applied-acoustics.com/strum-gs-2/
They list everything included.
gmp
I clearly don't have "Strum Acoustic Session" -> "Strum Session 2". I only have "Strum Acoustic Session 1". I have the full version of Platinum, but I haven't been completely consistent the way I've updated. In other words some of the versions of Platinum I never did install, assuming that the newest version would have everything all the other version had.
Is this a wrong assumption? Or is it because Strum 2 has only been added recently? I'm 2 versions behind, because one of those versions had a known bug that made a loud hissing sound with some plugins like Ivory. I have all the versions of Sonar except X2.
I do not know in which pack that was included, according to the release notes, it was introduced in Foxboro:
http://static.cakewalk.co...NAR_Foxboro_Update.pdf
Thanks for the useful info. Foxboro was around 7/2/15. This brings up a problem that many may not be aware of, which is you can't skip any updates or else you may miss out on plugins like the Strum 2. I wonder how may out there, like me, don't fully understand this new subscription service. I was under the assumption that I could skip an update without consequences like these.
I wonder if I had been using Command Center that this wouldn’t have happened? The reason I don’t use Command Center is because I'm still using 32 bit Plat for a short time more until I finish the last big project I have in 32 bit. Last I check Command Center didn’t work right with 32 bit only 64 bit.
Now the question is how do I find out which updates I did skip? Am I going to have to start all over with the first Platinum and do each update one at a time. What a mess that will be if that's the only way.
I believe the main installer files are not incremental. So if you start from Lexington then also you will get all the required files in the download lists of your account. [That list also shows the earlier versions, though you might not required to download them] Regards Snehankur
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/27 04:11:15
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I installed the Foxboro update which is UP5, right after that I noticed that it didn't' just install instruments like Strum 2 it changed my UP8 from Ipwich to Foxboro, so I then updated UP6, UP7, and UP8 (Ipwich). I did this both for the 32 bit and 64 bit. I'm still not getting Strum 2 to show up in 32 or 64 bit Plat even after a few computer reboots. If anyone has a clue about this strange behavior, chime in, otherwise this sounds like a tech support thing.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/27 04:24:16
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I can confirm that 32bit Sonar Plat. Lexington has NO Session 2. Strange indeed.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/27 04:31:02
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Based on the description in the command center it looks like it might be part of the "Platinum Instrument Collection" (I don't have that installed)
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/27 08:44:43
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I have upgraded to full version and this amazing synth. Sounds like true acoustic instrument, not necessarily a guitar but definitely large wooden box with real steel strings on it. I love to run piano midi loops through it.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/27 13:16:20
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Based on the description in the command center it looks like it might be part of the "Platinum Instrument Collection" (I don't have that installed)
On 10/10/15 downloaded PlatinumInstrumentCollectionSetup_1.0.0.10.exe and I have that installed. This was was after Foxboro, which was released early July, so if it was part of that collection, you'd think it'd be installed. I went from UP4 to UP8 a few of months ago, thinking I'd not be missing out on plugins, etc, by skipping UP5-7. Yet something is clearly confusing here, possibly a bug, possibly my user error. Last night when I updated Plat I installed UP5 (Foxboro) and started Plat and noticed it was now downgraded to UP5. First of all I assumed I'd get a screen that showed all the plugins and files to be installed. I had planned on not checking the main Plat exe file and instead would install only all the soft synths and plugins. Even though I chose a custom install I never got that screen to choose items. The same thing happened when installing UP6-UP8. If I recall all the UP updates are supposed to have that item screen on a custom install. I hope I don't have to uninstall Plat and start all over. This is very confusing.
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Re: Pleasantly Surprised by Strum 2
2015/12/27 13:56:30
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Whether a package gets installed/updated depends on you. If all you run are the SONAR Platinum installer, the other installers in the SONAR Platinum family will not get installed. As mentioned above, Strum Session 2 is in a separate "Platinum Instrument Collection" installer. The new SONAR does not have the old advanced install option using one big installer. Instead, the plug-ins are grouped into several smaller installers.
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