pinguinotuerto
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Please Help: Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
Ok, I have grouped clips across 8 tracks. If I select one, all get highlighted, perfect. If I use the trim tool to trim one clip, they all trim accordingly. Now, if I use the Timing Tool (time stretch), only one clip gets stretched! This can't be! Am I missing a step? Every other editing tool works the same, all grouped clips respond in the same way to the edit. Help please! Tell me I'm missing somehting.
post edited by pinguinotuerto - 2011/03/24 21:36:05
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/24 21:34:01
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 01:54:27
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I assume time stretching is such a demanding task that it's purposely kept as one-file-at-a-time function.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 02:25:42
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Kalle Rantaaho I assume time stretching is such a demanding task that it's purposely kept as one-file-at-a-time function. That's what I'm afraid of. Hoping I'm wrong. Actually, I changed my mind. This should not be too demanding a task for Sonar at all. You can already "stretch" multiple clips at once using audiosnap. Besides, we're talking about something that is not being done on the fly. All I want to do is stretch several clips simultaneously so they line up. I don't care how long it would take Sonar to "render" them. so what if you have to wait a few seconds more? It's still way better and saves more time than stretching clips manually one by one.
post edited by pinguinotuerto - 2011/03/25 10:57:06
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 03:43:18
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I've been battling the same demons... It is nearly impossible to line up clips to be stretched to the same length - even with zooming in to max proportions. This then screws up the phase relationships on multi-tracked stuff. Not good. Q.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 07:01:44
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I have the same complaint. This would halve my editing time. I've been asking for this for quite a few versions.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 10:48:38
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It baffles me how Cakewalk would not implement this, or let this slip by. It's as if they hope that things stay under the radar and people don't bring them up. Once again, it is ridiculous that this can't be done. I guess the guys at Cakewalk don't do much multi-tracking. The more I use Sonar in-depth, the more disillusioned I am becoming. For the first time in my life, I am considering looking into other options. I'd be surprised if most of Sonar's competition didn't have this feature.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 10:52:12
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Qwerty69 I've been battling the same demons... It is nearly impossible to line up clips to be stretched to the same length - even with zooming in to max proportions. This then screws up the phase relationships on multi-tracked stuff. Not good. Q. Qwerty, One option you might consider for now, (even though it's a PITA) is to turn on you snap to or snap by settings, and then stretch the clips one by one (again PITA). That way they'll stretch by the same amount. I did it last night with 8 drum tracks and it worked without any phasing or timing discrepancies.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 11:08:28
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pinguinotuerto Qwerty69 I've been battling the same demons... It is nearly impossible to line up clips to be stretched to the same length - even with zooming in to max proportions. This then screws up the phase relationships on multi-tracked stuff. Not good. Q. Qwerty, One option you might consider for now, (even though it's a PITA) is to turn on you snap to or snap by settings, and then stretch the clips one by one (again PITA). That way they'll stretch by the same amount. I did it last night with 8 drum tracks and it worked without any phasing or timing discrepancies. Bettter yet, stretch the one to exactly where you want it; then enable the Audio Clips option under Multi-track Landmarks in your snap options, and slip-stretch the other clips to snap to the end of the stretched clip. You'll get sample-accurate matching stretches without having to snap all of them to some musical time.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 11:09:08
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Yes, I need that a lot too, when for example, editing radio spots, I edit the voice and when i want to adjust that to the exact duration the spot should have I always have to bounce all the clips to one clip and strech that new clip, really anoying. Now the problem is, i think, that when streching multiple clips the start time of each clip should also change, at least in the case I was telling you. It may be why Cakewalk hasn't implemented that yet. I don't know.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 11:18:19
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rodhuerta Now the problem is, i think, that when streching multiple clips the start time of each clip should also change, at least in the case I was telling you. It may be why Cakewalk hasn't implemented that yet. I don't know. I don't think the start time changes. I think that's the anchor, only the end time should change. Well in my case I needed to stretch a fill and the end of a song because it was a bit rushed and ended a tad early. What I did was I split the clips where they started rushing, and only stretched that part. The rest of ther tracks remained in their original state.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 17:11:15
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I would also like to see the ability to slip-stretch grouped audio clips implemented. Is this a clever arrow pointing us to use AudioSnap? I'm having a heck of a time trying to maintain phase relationships using AudioSnap... but that's for another thread. Is the above method (using "snap to or snap by settings") how you are completing your projects, pinguinotuerto?
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 17:26:44
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hutchinson9736 I would also like to see the ability to slip-stretch grouped audio clips implemented. Is this a clever arrow pointing us to use AudioSnap? I'm having a heck of a time trying to maintain phase relationships using AudioSnap... but that's for another thread. Is the above method (using "snap to or snap by settings") how you are completing your projects, pinguinotuerto? For the record, I agree group-stretching should be implemented to eliminate all the hoop-jumping that is otherwise necessary. I wouldn't think it would be a big deal, since no processing actually occurs until you start playback. Lemme know what's not working with Merge and Lock markers for maintaining phase. I don't actually have much use for it in my projects, but when I've experimented, it seemed to work fine. Use Snap To to snap the rest of the clips To the audio landmark represented by the end of the stretched clip. Temporarily disabling Musical snap may make it easier to hit the mark.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/25 23:53:25
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hutchinson9736 I would also like to see the ability to slip-stretch grouped audio clips implemented. Is this a clever arrow pointing us to use AudioSnap? I'm having a heck of a time trying to maintain phase relationships using AudioSnap... but that's for another thread. Is the above method (using "snap to or snap by settings") how you are completing your projects, pinguinotuerto? Hutch, That's how I've done it, but Brundle's method sounds a lot smarter. I'm going to try it out. Plus Brundle has a GREAT track record giving advice. He's very knowledgeable.
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Re:Time Stretching Multiple Clips at Once
2011/03/27 05:14:03
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I use the "snap to" all the time and yes, it does sort out most possibilities for phasing issues but for me the major benefit would be a huge saving in time. Anyone thats edited drums tracks (sometimes I've had to work with 12 - 16 tracks) will understand the massive saving in time if we could stretch these at once. I have tried audiosnap over and over but for me especially when using so many tracks of drums it's still a bit too "hit and miss" for me. I haven't upgraded to X1 yet. I'm still waiting to see if most users are happy with stability etc. The studio has too many "open" projects at the moment. I have to add that I was hoping that this feature would have been implemented but sadly it looks like it hasn't. I would upgrade tomorrow if this feature was there. As I said I've had this request submitted since Sonar 6. Cheers, Peter.
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