Please help with monitoring issue

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2014/09/20 22:24:35 (permalink)

Please help with monitoring issue

Thanks so much!
I'm using a Roland Octacapture interface, with Sonar X3e. Is it possible to record through two different microphones at the same time but only monitor one?
I want to run some effects through the second microphone but I do not want the 'effect' microphone to be heard through the monitor, any helpw is grossly appreciated!!!

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    kellerpj
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    Re: Please help with monitoring issue 2014/09/21 00:03:04 (permalink)
    Joyof60:
     
    Due to the flexibility of the OC, there are several ways to accomplish this, but it depends on the configuration of your setup.
     
    Could you give us more information on:
    • What's the signal path from each of the two mics, through the OC and into Sonar? (Ex: mic1->HWEffect->OCIn1->SonarAudTrk1, mic2->OCIn2->SonarAudTrk2)
    • How do you have the OC's patch bay routed? (Ex: MixA->OCOut1/2, MixB->OCOut3/4)
    • What's the signal path of each of the OC's outputs? (Ex: OCOut1->Mon1, OCOut2->Mon1)
    • Are your affects being applied by outboard hardware on the mic signal path or by Sonar? (I'm assuming, when you mention effects, you aren't talking about the reverb that can be applied to MixA inputs.)
    Hopefully we can come up with some applicable answers with the context provided by the above,
    Paul
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    Re: Please help with monitoring issue 2014/09/21 03:01:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply !
    You pretty much described my set up,
    Mic 1- OC 1 - sonar
    Mic 2- mix w/ effects, - Virtualizer effects- OC 2 sonar
    (The effects are out board, pre Sonar
    OC main out via mix a - OC 1/2 monitors/cans
    OC mix b- OC 3/4 monitor set 2

    Ps , I try to refrain from the OCs reverb as the various reverb from sonar/sonitas etc is so much better.
    Thanks again for your help!

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    Re: Please help with monitoring issue 2014/09/22 21:50:55 (permalink)
    A simple way to do this, if your round trip latency theough the interface is low enough, is to use Sonar's monitoring facility.

    Set up your interface so you are not monitoring directly but through the DAW. Set up your two mic tracks in Sonar, arm them both for recording and click the "input echo" button on the one you want to hear in the monitors but leave the other one alone. You will then hear the already recorded tracks and, with whatever latency your system can operate at, the "dry" mic as well but not the "wet" one.

    So long as you can get the round-trip latency (time taken for the signal from the mic to make the interface-Sonar-interface-monitors circuit) down to around 10 milliseconds or less without clicks or dropouts that should get you what you want. Just remember not to use any plugins that introduce significant latency of their own while doing this.

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    Re: Please help with monitoring issue 2014/09/23 00:32:51 (permalink)
    Joyof60:
     
    Not sure if I'm missing something here, but I'll give it a whirl:
     
    First some assumptions from the information you've provided.
    • Mic1 -> OCIn1 -> MixA -> OCOut1/2 -> MonitorSet2
                            -> MixB -> OCOut3/4 -> MonitorSet2
                            -> Sonar
    • Mic2 -> Outboard Effects -> OCIn2 -> MixA -> OCOut1/2 -> MonitorSet1
                                                          -> MixB -> OCOut3/4 -> MonitorSet2
                                                          -> Sonar
    • OCIn1 in both MixA and MixB is not muted and at sufficient level to allow signal into each mix
    • OCIn2 in both MixA and MixB is not muted and at sufficient level to allow signal into each mix
    If the above assumptions are correct, then all you really need to do to keep Mic2's processed signal from going into MonitorSet1 and MonitorSet2 is to mute OCIn2 in both MixA and MixB on the Direct Mixer of the OC's control panel.  This will keep Mic2's signal out of both monitor sets while still allowing the signal to be recorded by Sonar. 
     
    As I understand it, the controls on the Direct Mixer of the OC's Control Panel is for each mix, not for what gets routed to the OC's high-speed USB audio channels.  It's the VS-Preamps that control the signals, and their levels, that get routed into the OC.  Whatever signals comes through any of the OC's VS-Preamps get routed to the each of the direct mixers as well as the high-speed USB audio channels.  So you can mute one of the inputs on the mixes and still be able to record the signal in Sonar as I've suggested above.
     
    Hope my assumptions are correct and that this helps you out,
    Paul
     
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