Please lift the restriction of max zoom for lanes [Improved 2016:8]

All too often i need to work/edit clips in lanes and require the visual accuracy of a full screen zoom of the clip i'm working on...

The current Brain zoom fix for lanes is a little more logical than previously, but still evades this issue... The new lane zoom is fine for comping, but not editing...

Please lift this restriction and add a "special" command to zoom all of one track's lanes...

Please?

Keni

stevec
Absolutely!
 
May as well look into allowing a slightly smaller minimum height too while they're in there...
 

Yes! I run into that as well!

Keni

stevec
May as well look into allowing a slightly smaller minimum height too while they're in there...

+1000

I've been asking for this ever since Take lanes were implemented, and when I started comping audio takes I also wished for a bigger maximum height.

Someday I will be comfortable editing when I can again see well... It seems not enough people are bothered by this and the Bakers feel the current implementation is just fine...

Sad as this is an in-my-face issue in almost everything I do in Sonar and it was so much easier for me to do this editing in 8.5.3...

Yes, they've given us lots of other cool tools that help with work flow but this is one fundamental issue a level beneath what we can do... What we can see! <sigh>

Keni
Someday I will be comfortable editing when I can again see well... It seems not enough people are bothered by this and the Bakers feel the current implementation is just fine...

Sad as this is an in-my-face issue in almost everything I do in Sonar and it was so much easier for me to do this editing in 8.5.3...

Yes, they've given us lots of other cool tools that help with work flow but this is one fundamental issue a level beneath what we can do... What we can see! <sigh>

 
Allow me to suggest this. How about using 8.5.3 for recording and comping (if it has a comping feature), then importing the comped files into SPlat for mixing? In fact, that's what I decided to do (except that it's another daw I'm going to use, not 8.5.3). Take lanes probably won't be improved at least for a year or so.

Keni
Thanks for the thought/idea...

But my problem is with the editing, not the recording...

 
Yes, I meant editing when I said "comping "in my last post (because I edit clips by speed-comping etc). Like you, I hardly ever use the Comping mode when recording.
 
I don't know your workflow, but mine is this:
 
1. Record to a desired lane (using the Overwrite recording mode)
2. Edit the recorded takes (by mostly dragging the lower half of the takes and adjusting the split points - I sometimes move only the waveforms to left/right inside the clips)
3. Mixing/mastering
 
I have two audio recording issues in Sonar that don't happen in another daw I own, and editing takes in Take Lanes is so cumbersome for me, because I can only see 15 lanes or so at a time (due to the fat lanes) and also it's not possible to adjust the comp split points in the parent track or anchor a desired lane when vertically zooming the lanes. So, obviously it's better for me to record and edit (incl. comping) all audio in the other daw and then import the edited audio into Sonar for mixing.
 
Reading your issues, I wonder why you don't use 8.5.3 for editing (record in the 2015 version and then export the recorded audio to 8.5.3 for editing is a waste of time, which is why I suggested both recording and editing in 8.5.3). I skipped all versions between 2.2 and X1, so I don't know about 8.5.3., but if you don't really need the Smart tool's comping feature added in X3, you can just record takes to multiple tracks and then edit the takes using the Zoom tool, can't you? You can then bounce the clips and export them to the 2015 version.
 
As I said, I don't think Take lanes will be greatly improved within the next 12 months or so, because not many people seem to be unhappy with the feature, and it wasn't even listed in the response options for the "What features do you want to see improved?" or a similar question in the recent survey.

icontakt
I just remembered you said in a recent thread that you move takes from lanes to tracks (for editing purpose, right?) Maybe that's more realistic than my suggestion above. Yes, I now see why you really want the restriction to be lifted.

My recording workflow will typically be like the following but varies of course with the situation.

If it's a live band, run the tune. 2nd take, third take etc. as new lanes. Most of the time whole takes are used so there is little editing between... But if playing to click etc. more edits might happen...

If it's overdubs or music production situations in general, I setup a loop for a given area, then place Sonar in record. Sometimes recording 20 or more takes... Then comp/edit selecting best portions/takes... Clone track (empty) then copy/drag selected portions to the new track. Archive and hide the original track of multi lane/takes...

My editing during creation of the composited track can often be very sensitive to how tight an edit is made... Not always simple gaps between words. Do I often need to zoom quite close to make things work the way I want...

I must admit that with my new large, hi-res monitor it's not as bad as before, but it would be far better with these restrictions lifted...


As to working in 8.5.3? I'm finally comfortable with most issues other than this in SPlat and in many ways I enjoy the new workfliw... And now depend almost 100% on ProChannel devices... Going back and forth for the issues would actually be more work than struggling with the zoom issues... <sigh>.........

Keni



...from the depths of Deep Space

Bumping this ...again?

The marches on and if seems this is not being addressed...

I have a large monitor, but the min/max restrictions continue to plague me...

Please!

?

C'mon gang... Can we make this rise in importance so the Bakers will change this behavior?

Thanks!

-Bump

This needs to be kept current as its been far too long for this to be addresses.

There are many people interested in this... I'm sure many more than get around to posting about it.

The need for this is quite important to many work flows... The idea of simple chopping between words is not always the situation and often this entails very accurate edits to an individual clip... Sometimes it's possible to switch between Lane view and track view, but when the clips overlap this option disappears...

Please... Find a reasonable way to supply the current zoom method as well as lifted min/max lanes...

It is many years now...

Thanks!

Ive just begun to run into this issue a little myself...though not to the extent some of you are having and by no means on a pro level...but I see the frustration.  Is there any chance an easier(maybe more expedient) solution for the bakers to help with this one...would allow the use of 2 monitors to see all going on?  I know many use 2 monitors in various ways with diff programs...and yes its not the correct solution...but from the programming standpoint ...Im wondering if its a quicker/easier workaround....though another monitor is gonna be a $$ hassle for many.....just some thoughts on this ....maybe its already possible with the cakewalk stuff to do this ?   I do hope it gets addressed for those in dire need for efficient workflow....heck im only using MC7 ...but I run into similar stuff you pro/Splat users run into now and then ...  :o) ....someday I will run with you Big Studio Dogs ..... ;o)
 

You're welcome, Keni.  I just happened to see the EAP notice, read that first line, then had to track down this thread and add the link. 

For all the gang who expressed their interest in this...

The recent early access release of 1016:8 is a big step towards fulfilling the desires expressed here.

The minimum height is now a single line/height as with tracks... and the maximum has been doubled!

Almost perfect! ...and along with it, a note from Noel speaking of full zoom still to come and it is currently in the works but apparently more difficult to implement than might appear...

So breathe slow, enjoy the improvements and know that more is coming!

Thanks foe everyone's support!

I don't remember what x3 was in regard to this... It's been a while...

I've had a lot of issues ever since changing from layers to lanes and for me it is still playing catch up... Though I appreciate some of the new tools given to us with lanes, there is still nothing important enough for all the issues of catch up...

I'm sure for many in different situations feel different than I do. Especially people editing multiple passes of multi-tracked live drum kits... I don't currently have a lot of need in that area....

But you might check out a demo version of the current SPlat and see if the many additions and fixes are helpful for you.... SPlat is well worth the upgrade!