Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys?

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Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys?

Hello, there’s not much on how to setup Plugin Boutique’s Scaler w/ Cakewalk. I just cannot figure out how to get Scaler to trigger another vst when clicking on Scaler’s piano keys or chord buttons. In Cakewalk by Bandlab I can load Scaler as an Instrument track, load up another vst synth to trigger via Scaler such as FM8, set the MIDI input on FM8 to Scaler (along with the corresponding MIDI channel) and play the FM8 through the Scaler instrument track that I control w/ my MIDI keyboard, that much I’ve figured out. BUT how do I get Scaler to trigger said vst from it’s own keys/chord buttons on the GUI so I can hear these chords played in context via the vst I’m trying to trigger? For me Scaler will only play whichever of its own internal sounds it is set to when clicking the piano keys/chord buttons, but I’ve seen YouTube videos where they have Scaler’s piano keys triggering an external vst so I know it can be done. I’ve tried using the Cubase et al Setup instructions, but they don’t extrapolate neatly to Cakewalk. Anyone successfully using Scaler w/ Cakewalk? Like, how?
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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/04 18:01:14 (permalink)
    Have you enabled MIDI output on Scaler, i.e. on the VST2 or VST3 dropdown at the top of the plugin, enable the "Enable MIDI Output" checkbox?

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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/04 20:44:55 (permalink)
    Ah dude I bet that's it, I'll try it when I get home. It's just that my Scaler gui looks different than the Scaler I'm seeing on YouTube videos where their Scaler has a couple of knobs at the very top right (something like an input knob and something else) and a wrench and some kind of settings icon on the top left where they gain access to more settings and all of that is missing from my Scaler. Maybe those are older versions of Scaler in those videos so yeah maybe those settings I need to access are now in that vst2/vst3 drop down. I'll find out soon. Thanks
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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/04 22:26:07 (permalink)
    If you enable the MIDI output on a plugin, you should then see that plugin as an available MIDI input elsewhere.

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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/04 22:59:54 (permalink)
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    I'm seeing on YouTube videos where their Scaler has a couple of knobs at the very top right (something like an input knob and something else) and a wrench and some kind of settings icon on the top left where they gain access to more settings and all of that is missing from my Scaler.

    The extra controls may not be part of the plug-in UI. They may be added by the DAW. Some DAWs, including Cakewalk add their own controls to a plug-in. Here is the header added to VST3 plug-ins by Cakewalk (from https://www.cakewalk.com/...mp;help=Mixing.40.html)
     
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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/05 01:13:08 (permalink)
    Thanks guys, yeah I see under that vst3 drop down on Scaler both Enable MIDI Output and Enable MIDI Input are already checked (Enable MIDI Input is grayed out but checked) and Scaler is definitely available as midi input. Still no matter what I try I can't get Scaler’s piano keys and buttons to trigger anything other than it's own internal sounds.

    On the Scaler instrument track I have MIDI input set to my midi controller (ch. 5) and MIDI output set to Scaler (or I can set MIDI output to FM8 and play the FM8 through Scaler's instrument track making Scaler basically just a conduit at that point, AND even then Scaler's paino keys/buttons still will only trigger its own internal sounds...)

    In the FM8 instrument track I have its MIDI input set to Scaler MIDI Ch. 5, and MIDI output set to FM8 and I can play FM8 through Scaler but can't get Scaler’s keys to do the same. Everything is enabled that needs enabling and I can't see any other way to rout things or what I'm missing. Is anyone using Scaler w/ Cakewalk?
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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/05 01:14:32 (permalink)
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    I'm seeing on YouTube videos where their Scaler has a couple of knobs at the very top right (something like an input knob and something else) and a wrench and some kind of settings icon on the top left where they gain access to more settings and all of that is missing from my Scaler.

    The extra controls may not be part of the plug-in UI. They may be added by the DAW. Some DAWs, including Cakewalk add their own controls to a plug-in. Here is the header added to VST3 plug-ins by Cakewalk (from https://www.cakewalk.com/...mp;help=Mixing.40.html)
     


    Thanks man that's good to know for when watching YouTube vids.
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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/06 06:59:53 (permalink)
    OK I solved this by opening a new session w/ just Scaler and FM8 and doing exactly what I've been doing in feeding FM8 midi input w/ Scaler and now Scaler’s keys/buttons are triggering the external vst like they're supposed to. I'm not necessarily blaming Cakewalk but I did everything exactly the same before and still it wouldn't work in those other sessions and I have been battling recurring bugs lately, but it's working now. You turn off the speaker button on Scaler and it will mute its own sound and play only the sound from the vst it's triggering. I think I was working against a bug or something corrupted.
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    Re: Plugin Boutique's Scaler: How do I trigger other vst from Scaler’s paino keys? 2018/08/07 00:24:57 (permalink)
    Actually this hasn't been completely solved. I got it working to some degree, but Scaler's piano keys and chord buttons will only trigger external vst on midi channel 1, any other midi channel and Scaler won't trigger external vst; only on midi channel 1 it works. Anyone know what's going on there? Why only channel 1?
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