Plugin For External Synths

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2005/08/11 08:22:34 (permalink)

Plugin For External Synths

Hello,

England have just got to 100-1 against Australia in the third test at Old Trafford!!!

OK, I've heard that there is a software plugin for P5 that will allow the use of hardware synths but don't know anymore than that or whether it works fine without glitches/bugs so any information would be greatly appreciated.

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    fraz
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 09:21:09 (permalink)
    By software plugin I mean a piece of software that somehow lets you use a hard synth with P5. I have a number of softsynths but I also have a number of hardware synths which I have not yet used with P5. I'm curious to know how you folks use your hardware keyboards in conjunction with P5.


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    fraz
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 09:38:22 (permalink)
    I think that someone said something about RGC doing something in this direction. I went on their website but can't find anything.

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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 09:49:24 (permalink)

    yes, such a thing exists
    it's called midi out and was developed by rgc audio

    i used to be able to find it
    it's on this Cakewalk site somewhere


     


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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 09:52:40 (permalink)
    I would imagine you'd use a hard-synth by routing it's analog output to an audio input for monitoring purposes, while tracking MIDI concurrently - both note and audio information. "Rendering" amounts to recording said audio track while MIDI plays back. That's the old-fashioned way, anyhow. Maybe a plugin would somehow skin the parameters and automation component.

    Am I totally off-track? Anyway, keep routing those hardware synths; it's more ammunition for my demands for more audio inputs!
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 10:18:02 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies. I may be getting confused...anyhow I'll explain and you elaborate....I have HS which is a traditional sequencer that has no problems in playing tone modules etc.....I also have P5 which is different to HS in the way that it handles hard synths.....Am I on the correct lines here???

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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 10:21:00 (permalink)
    I know that my HS is rewire...and so is P5 now but I was wandering if I used P5 on it's own if I could use my hard synths....(you've kindly explained that there is a midi out by RGC)...


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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 11:40:56 (permalink)
    Listen to wrench and ignore me on this one. I wasn't even aware that there was such a thing as a rewire hardware synth.
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 11:55:27 (permalink)
    Midi Out by Rene G. Ceballos (RGC Audio) is here >>>midi out link

    post edited by Far Left Corner - 2005/08/11 12:00:35
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 11:57:11 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: fraz

    Hello,

    England have just got to 100-1 against Australia in the third test at Old Trafford!!!

    OK, I've heard that there is a software plugin for P5 that will allow the use of hardware synths but don't know anymore than that or whether it works fine without glitches/bugs so any information would be greatly appreciated.

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    Hi Fraser, and Welcome to the Forum. I believe the web site you are looking for is here!!! and the actual link for downloading the rgc:MIDIout plug-in is here.
    In addition you might want to check out this rgc:audio/Cakewalk special group buy offer for the very excellent z3ta+ here. (disclosure: I already own one and it's my personal favorite!)
    HTH
    -MDK


    opps...Far Left just beat me 2 it...i type 2 slow..oh well***
    post edited by MurderDethKill - 2005/08/11 12:02:54

    My site i guess;)
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    fraz
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 12:03:14 (permalink)
    Hi,

    Thanks for the links. I'm not totally new to the forum however I've had alot on and haven't done much music recently hence my absence.

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    fraz
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 12:04:24 (permalink)
    I've downloaded it.....thanks
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 17:15:27 (permalink)
    Hey, Fraser, you might also want to check out the demo of LiveSet here from Petertools. It's a Rewire utility host that also allows for MIDI Out to any hardware output. You open up LiveSet, and your selected Rewire client (like P5) launches automatically. There's extensive MIDI In & Out routing, and the MIDI Out is a little more full-featured than rgc:audio's [MTC/MIDI Clock; sysex string transmission; separate note and CC messages; in/out/thru matrix].

    [Sorry, Rene: No slam intended. We really appreciate the availability of your MIDIOut utility.]
    Special note to MDK: Have you tried this yet with your Korg Kontrol49 tempo controls? Looks like the answer ...
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/11 19:59:56 (permalink)
    oooooh! Not yet B! going there now, thanx for the link!




    99 euros tho...Ouch!!!
    post edited by MurderDethKill - 2005/08/11 20:10:27

    My site i guess;)
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/12 08:36:09 (permalink)
    Thanks B,

    This sounds like good news and could be up my street and improve my musical life.

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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/12 09:55:28 (permalink)
    Hi,

    I've read up on the site and see how powerful this could be.....P5, Reason & Peter Tools....so I could record my hardware synths into P5 sequencer right?.....I do get confused sometimes so bear with me B....

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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/12 13:18:01 (permalink)
    To clarify I mean will the MIDI from the hard synths be routed into P5 with Peter Tools?
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/12 14:54:14 (permalink)
    yes, such a thing exists
    it's called midi out and was developed by rgc audio


    Doh!

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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/12 17:23:35 (permalink)
    will the MIDI from the hard synths be routed into P5 with Peter Tools?
    Sure can. You can run two separate controllers (I need more!) through the A & B Transformation busses, and route them anywhere from there; even to multiple destinations. You can branch the MIDI out to external synths, route that audio back into P5, and simultaneously route to multiple virtual synths.

    The Rewire host (LiveSet) passes all (or none) of the data through to the client (Project5), and you can split it, channelize it, crossfade and split continuous controller messages, etc. All with a relatively low drain on the CPU. I like to think of LiveSet as P5's front end.

    Check out the demo: It's fully functional, but time-limited to 20 minutes. It'll take a few of those sessions just to get your bearings, but after a while everything sinks in. Remember to TAB the rack around a la Reason (undocumented) to make all of your connections.

    BTW, Brad: You can limit the creepy cable animation to only the selected connection, or just close your eyes and click (like I do).
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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/13 08:30:41 (permalink)
    Cheers B,

    This does seem fab with the MIDI side routing etc....maybe another learning curve...but like you said after a while......I have Reason too and the three together with hard synths too.....wow!!!.

    You mentioned that PT will allow for use with two controllers....so having a master keyboard with a control surface connected to the MIDI out (on Kybd) passing on the the MIDI in on soundcard....would this count as the two controllers?


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    RE: Plugin For External Synths 2005/08/13 08:51:09 (permalink)
    would this count as the two controllers?
    Hmm ... daisychained to a single hardware MIDI input? It can, depending on the control surface implementation. You might have to separate the MIDI streams using MIDI channels to make this work (done easily in the Transformation bus dialog). I don't know that each one will be detected as a distinct controller for general input purposes.

    I think it might be more versatile to bring them in on two different hardware ports, if that's possible. You'll know soon enough which way to go by checking the Edit\Preferences\MIDI tab for available inputs to both Transformation busses. If they're available for selection there, you can split them without resorting to MIDI channelizing. HTH
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