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2012/10/13 11:44:17 (permalink)

Pop filter on dynamic mic?

In the absence of having a windscreen, will it make any difference to use a pop filter on the lead vocalist's dynamic mic - for recording? Not sure if these only work well for condensor mics.....
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/13 15:33:29 (permalink)
    It's much more critical on condensers just because they are so much more sensitive. Dynamics are inherently more immune to pops and sibilance, and they usually have some kind of integrated pop filter built in to them. People often use dynamic mics because they can be hand-held, which many singers are more comfortable with. Obviously, a pop filter is impractical if the singer is dancing around.

    But that doesn't mean a pop filter wouldn't be beneficial if it's on a stand, especially for a singer that works the mic as if he were inflating a balloon.


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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/13 18:18:54 (permalink)
    I might try one - it is on a stand and this guy does get very close ---- recording them live, so can use all the help I can get. You wrote to me about this gig - on an earlier, different post. It is tonight.
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/13 18:29:48 (permalink)
    Bitflipper -- one more quick last minute question - all the musician's mics/lines are getting narrowed down to outputs left and right from my mixer -- which I will bring into my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 - Channel 1&2. In X1 do you suggest that I just use one stereo channel, OR set up two - one as input from interface L and the other interface R ----?
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/13 18:37:26 (permalink)
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    But that doesn't mean a pop filter wouldn't be beneficial if it's on a stand, especially for a singer that works the mic as if he were inflating a balloon.

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/13 20:12:57 (permalink)
    Sorry, Charles, I don't quite understand the question. The way I understand it is you're going to be capturing the entire mix, vocals and all from the main stereo outs on the FOH board. But you have two additional line inputs available on the Focusrite. I don't know what you'd be able to use those for, though, unless the board has flexible routing options that could let you exclude the vocals from the main mix and pick them up on one of the spare channels on the Focusrite.



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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/14 16:29:37 (permalink)
    Well its over and done with now.... I think it turned out pretty good what little I played back. Think  I got the routing ok in the end. Took a  few songs to figure levels out - etc.... It is tough when the monitoring situation is poor due to all the house noise, and then the in-house music they blast when the band is taking a break.... Eventually I may post some results. I won't even get to listen back for a few days. Thanks for the follow up and help. I was on the run, so could not read everything before having to get set up and go with it...
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/15 01:15:14 (permalink)
    Back to the original- I'm a big fan of the improvement seen in adding the foam booties' over dynamic vocal mics.
    Gigs', might not care, but that reduction in overall noise in most cases seems good for a step up in quality IMO.

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 08:44:19 (permalink)
    Depends on the mic, and the singer's technique. ie, a Heil PR35 and a Shure SM7, both dynamics but with very different response to plosives. Both can be used with or w/o a pop filter, but the SM7 will be way more forgiving.

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 15:27:58 (permalink)
    i always pop filter everything.

    there is no reason in losing a great performance, because of one pop.
    and it happens...

    at least to me, every time i track!!

    LOL

    so, invest in a nice METAL pop filter.....

    something like this:


    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/stedman-proscreen-xl-pop-filter?tandt_rdir=1




    or, a more standard pop filter like this, which i use
    http://www.popfilter.com/


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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 16:31:48 (permalink)
    I noticed recently that my nylon pop filter was dulling some of the highs. I sang while moving the filter back and forth, between my mouth and the mic and away. I decided to take it away and try singing at a slight angle across the mic instead of straight on. The vocal sounds more clear w/o the filter and plosives have not been a problem. My mic technique has gotten better as a result. I've been doing this with an LDC.

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 17:14:08 (permalink)


    is there any reason why would we use dynamic mike for vocal recording in a studio?
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 17:34:15 (permalink)
    ^^^ Tight patterned dynamics will pick up less room sound so they are especially useful if you have a bad sounding room. Some voices may sound better on a particular dynamic.

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 17:49:50 (permalink)
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    is there any reason why would we use dynamic mike for vocal recording in a studio?





    oh, oh, i can answer this one!!!


    heheh


    cuz it sounds good.




    i've done killer vox tracks with a lowly sm57.





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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 18:13:30 (permalink)
    In a book I have they talked about and show the "pencil" technique. This is done on a condenser where you tape a pencil vertically on the front end of it, facing the singer, and this creates a small enough diversion to quell plosives....
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 19:36:07 (permalink)
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    is there any reason why would we use dynamic mike for vocal recording in a studio?

    I compared my vocal on a Nuemann M149, SM7, Rode K2 and SM58. Two dynamics and two condensers. I think overall the SM7 and SM58 (which sounded close to identical on my voice - but this isn't always the case with different singers) sounded better than the $7000 Nuemann and $700 Rode. This was in a decent studio. So yes, a dynamic and definitely work. I'll probably still use a condenser on my softer singing parts, but for main vocals, the dynamics (or at least compared to the condensers I tried) seem to give a better sound over all.


    I would personally take the grill off the dynamic (in my case the 58) and then use the pop filter. Pop filter does the best job, and remove the grill to limit any high end loss.


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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 19:37:17 (permalink)
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    In a book I have they talked about and show the "pencil" technique. This is done on a condenser where you tape a pencil vertically on the front end of it, facing the singer, and this creates a small enough diversion to quell plosives....

    I've never heard of that one for plosives before. I thought it was for sibilance? Must try this one day.


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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 21:47:14 (permalink)
    I stand corrected - the pencil technique is for sibilance -
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/16 22:50:40 (permalink)
    Just looked into it a little, it seems it's also used for plosives too. How effective it is for each problem seems to vary from person to person.


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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/21 14:42:17 (permalink)
    Anytime I record, dynamic or condenser, I use a pop filter. Though I wouldn't mind too much if I didn't have one on dynamic. Now its just habit as the pop filter never leaves my main mic stand.
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/22 16:29:08 (permalink)
    depending on the pop filter and what its made from, it can also round off the highs nicely. 

    I've used one on a dynamic.... and now that I use a condenser.....I use the pop filter most of the time.... on occasion I have actually recorded without one.... you got to be very aware of the coming words and be ready to compensate with vocal technique to pull that off successfully. 

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/22 16:35:05 (permalink)
    the metal ones really work well.

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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/22 16:45:18 (permalink)
    some guys like simple windscreens:




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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/23 16:21:29 (permalink)
    Lol, good point! I have a dual fabric one. I'd like to get a metal one in the future, but my mesh does the job for now.
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/23 16:32:43 (permalink)
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    some guys like simple windscreens:



    yeah, but these are usually amateurs 
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/24 15:23:21 (permalink)
    I have one of those styled pop filters for a SDC mic. I've never tried it on vocals before. What is an incredibly sibilancy/popy sentence I can use to test it with and without the pop filter?
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/24 16:03:26 (permalink)
    So what is that sentence?
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/24 17:53:46 (permalink)
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    I have one of those styled pop filters for a SDC mic. I've never tried it on vocals before. What is an incredibly sibilancy/popy sentence I can use to test it with and without the pop filter?
    Sentence?... Nah!! For best results use about three words for example; Sh#T + Puffy + Shoes  --- repeated fairly abruptly over and over with about one second intervals  



     
     
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/24 18:01:14 (permalink)

    @ OP

       I think Dave summed it up quite eloquently:  
     
    It's much more critical on condensers just because they are so much more sensitive. Dynamics are inherently more immune to pops and sibilance, and they usually have some kind of integrated pop filter built in to them. People often use dynamic mics because they can be hand-held, which many singers are more comfortable with. Obviously, a pop filter is impractical if the singer is dancing around. 


       Especially in this last part; 

    But that doesn't mean a pop filter wouldn't be beneficial if it's on a stand, especially for a singer that works the mic as if he were inflating a balloon. 


        




     
     
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    Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/25 00:18:19 (permalink)
    Pop filters should always be used for singers. Unless they are singing "Pop music?" In which case, you might not hear anything...

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