Beepster
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 07:58:05
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huh... Did the problematic lappy come preloaded with Windows and a bunch of other programs? Get rid of all that bloatware using CCleaner and be sure to disable ALL startup programs (although disabling startup programs should be in the Sweetwater Guide). For anti virus install Microsoft Security Essentials even if the laptop came with "free" Norton/Macaffee/etc... Those programs will bork things right heck up. Isolate the laptop from the internet while doing audio work and disable automatic updates.
Just some extra things to try. I didn't scan all the new posts to see if this was mentioned or done. Cheers.
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 09:12:21
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@Beepster - I have been in PM contact with the poster - it as been quite frustrating.
I had repeatedly asked about getting certain system information from him, and he was going to schedule a phone call with me and a tech support guy, but that never happened - even though I indicated I could place the call (I am in US and he is in Switzerland), and that I would make that call per HIS schedule. While I did get several private messages from him - none of them EVER answered the basic questions about his system that I posed.
Instead - I got a message indicating that 'by the way I didn't tell you' (or something like that) - where it turned out that the machine belonged to his work, and that it was loaded up with all kinds of safeguards and backup software, and lots of other things that have great potential to interfere with running software such as Sonar.
No problem - his tech guy was going to bring him a clean machine to try it all out - you see the posted results for that - Sonar worked fine on a clean machine - no surprise there.
So now he is back to figuring out what on the loaded up computer could have been contributing to his issues. All fine and good, but I have been patiently awaiting and asking for and not getting that kind of essential information for me to help him get it sorted out.
SOOOOO - I have had enough of this guy's for whatever reason unwillingness to properly respond to the now numerous requests I have made for information on that machine.
(To the original poster) dude - grow up or not - your choice - but please do not waste my time again. There are other people to help.
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 09:23:14
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Ah, I see. Yeah... your computer doesn't necessarily have to be TOTALLY dedicated to the DAW software but it should definitely be the main focus as far as configuration. By that I mean you set it up to run the DAW first and foremost then you can add other programs based on that configuration. If they work, great... if not don't install them. If it's a work machine set up primarily for other tasks and that is interfering with the DAW doing what it has to it's time to get another machine. You can build a powerful desktop for around $800 that'll more than handle Sonar and all it's components with ease. Even cheapo desktops or laptops will run it but you may not be able to go crazy with the plugins, VSTs etc without cranking up your buffers.
Really you should have mentioned all this at the onset. We could have told you right off the bat what the problem was. I'm not mad but it was a bit of a waste of time and you seem to have angered our friend Bob here. You lost a lot of good free tech advice there.
Oh well, now you know.
Cheers.
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 09:44:53
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Change the ASIO buffer to 256 samples. Also, make sure only the RME soundcard is selected in Preferences-Audio Devices. Uncheck the laptop's sound device.
post edited by daveny5 - 2013/02/15 09:57:31
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 10:25:49
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@Beepster - The lack of disclosure on the full story is one thing - but it was the continued resistance to providing me the information I needed in order to help that just finally got to me.
Yeah - we could have pointed him in the right direction right away - that aside it's more the deliberate refusal to address the repeated requests for assistance - I think my providing both my phone number and indicating a willingness to pay for the call to Switzerland, working around his schedule, and all of that - only to have him post time and again without ever once having the courtesy of providing that information - THAT's what just finally frosted me on helping this guy.
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 10:48:18
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Have you tried ASIO4ALL? THAT fixed all my audio problems...
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 11:07:36
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@Shawn - this guy has a bunch of issues to work out, because of all of the stuff his company has loaded onto the laptop in question.
The situation MUST be worked out by the OP on his own, because he has thus far declined to properly list all of the stuff in question - there were repeated requests for system information that were ignored by the guy, and I even offered to place the call to him in Switzerland (From the US), just to try to get to the bottom of it all, and yet he continued to ignore that and instead posted that he and his tech guy were stripping things down and working through it all.
Good luck to him - we here in the forum have NO IDEA what is on that machine, and until that situation changes, there is NO help that anyone here can give the guy. To continue posting to this thread in the absence of a full disclosure of system information from the original poster is absolutely a useless exercise.
He obtained a clean computer, without all of the whatevers, and Sonar loaded up and ran just fine. So, the delta being whatever that stuff is that is installed and it being unknown - we cannot possibly help the guy.
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 11:18:07
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percepto
I've just started experimenting with X2 (just a few days) and I would like to know what behaviour I should expect as "normal". I opened a bass loop up in the Loop Construction view and changed a couple of the notes' pitches to match a midi riff which I had manually inserted (I am waiting for a midi cable to arrive and then I can actually play something from my control keyboard!) Now when I play it back it is popping and clicking (unusable in a song) where I have made the changes. Is the Loop Construction just a notepad for ideas, or should I hear a cleaner sound?
I have noticed changing the pitch in Loop Construction with a large ASIO buffer size will cause pops and clicks. Try reducing your buffer size.
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Re:Popping & clicking - Loop construction
2013/02/15 11:41:06
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