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Portable USB interface (SOLVED)

Hello, guys,
I'm looking for a small, portable and affordable ($100-$150) USB interface to throw in my laptop bag, for songwriting purposes when on the road.
I'll be using it mainly to write and record ideas in Sonar with TH3, no more than 3-4 tracks per project.  
One input ok, but something with good drivers as low latency is a must.  
 
So many cheap devices available out there, just want to make sure I get something half decent...so I would like some feedback from current users.
 
Any recommendations?
 
Thanks!
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 15:49:43 (permalink)
    I have a Focusrite Scarlett (2nd gen) and I'm happy with it. I've also heard good things about the Tascam US-2x2.
     
    Here' a list that might help you narrow down the choices:
    http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/the-best-budget-usb-audio-interfaces-in-the-world-today-570850
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 16:00:31 (permalink)
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    I have a Focusrite Scarlett (2nd gen) and I'm happy with it.

    Thanks for your suggestions.
    Which Scarlett model do you have? I used to own a 2i4 but looking for a smaller device. The Solo would be the one Focusrite unit I would consider.
     

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 16:18:52 (permalink)
    I have the Solo, but I have heard the 2i2 is better. This is second-hand information, but might be worth looking in to.
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 16:22:48 (permalink)
    A friend and I use a Scarlett 2i2. 2nd gen. USB 2.0
    Two neutriks, a headphone out, and l r mains out. Only USB bus powered.
    Easy install and works well. Simple.

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 16:24:45 (permalink)
    edit 
    Was recommended by about 4 people on one of the Facebook forums when I was looking for a portable.
     

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 18:22:19 (permalink)
    I use a Focusrite Scarlett as well (mines a little bigger than a solo) but here's another nod for the Scarlett's.
    Mic Pres are really good for cheap money.

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/20 19:12:11 (permalink)
    The Solo would be your best bet, My son in Law just bought one and it's perfect for one person and laptop use for playback. Just don't plan on using a fancy Condensor mike as there's not enough Phantom power for some mikes,,
     
     
     
    That is the down side of Buss power only. It's nice when they give you both options like the Tascam 2x2. 
    The Tascams are bigger than the Scarletts. I like my 6i6 for travel it pretty small and covers a lot of ground as far as features. The 2i2 and 2i4 are the same box.  
     
    But be warned, you are not going to get true low latency performance from any interface under $500. You'll be in the "hidden buffer" zone with those. Best is going to be around 5-8ms RTL. Which might be fine for you. Below those RTL specs your looking at Motu, RME etc. 

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 05:34:01 (permalink)
    The RCA outs are another thing to consider with the solo (whether they are acceptable or not for your needs).

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 06:04:53 (permalink)
    The steinberg UR 22 is a good choice.
    The in - out  latency is lower as of the focusrite scarlett series -
    but  the preamp of the scarletts is imo minimal better and the headphone-amp 
    a little louder .
    I made some (mobile)voc recordings with the UR22 thought as a demo last week.
    To my surprise the tracks sound good , so that I don´t have to record that again.
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 09:39:51 (permalink)
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    The steinberg UR 22 is a good choice.
    The in - out  latency is lower as of the focusrite scarlett series -


    Thanks everyone!
     
    Peter, I did check out the Steinberg's. They are certainly budget friendly but from what I read, there are no true Windows drivers available for their low end models anymore and even their website suggest using ASIO4All drivers. Is that what you are using?

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 10:11:33 (permalink)
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    But be warned, you are not going to get true low latency performance from any interface under $500. You'll be in the "hidden buffer" zone with those. Best is going to be around 5-8ms RTL. Which might be fine for you. Below those RTL specs your looking at Motu, RME etc. 


    Ya..I'm expecting that...I have a Babyface Pro, but there is no way it's getting out of my home studio...
    But I was kind of hoping there was a (cheap) hidden gem out there that could bring me latency around 4-5ms as I'm not going to use tons on plugins/tracks....

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 10:36:01 (permalink)
    At $!50 there really isn't a lot of good choices. 
    The Scarletts, Tascam 2x2, Stienberg 22 and PreSonus? 
    Not sure about this Zoom one but --https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/U24  
    All will be in the same ballpark for RTL around 7ms, all will have same sound quality (objective) but then you do need to look at features because this is where they are different. In the price point the Tascam 2x2 has the best features in/out wse as well as both buss and wall wart power. 
     
    Another option for you might be what I use which is a Tascam handy recorder. You can use it to record you guitar and vocals and dump it into Sonar. That's how a lot of my songs start. 
     Zoom makes porta studios that have drums and whatnot built in. Talk about portable.    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R8zoom  
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2017/02/21 11:40:11

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 10:48:13 (permalink)
    For the same purpose you have described I have bought Ubisoft Rocksmith cable (c. $40). If you are not familiar with it is a simple USB cable on one side and guitar plug on the other, so it is a guitar directly into laptop. Sonar tracks see Rocksmith as a possible input. Turn your Sonar into Wasapi exclusive mode, monitor your project with your laptop speakers or headphones. Works well with TH3, you can set Wasapi to pretty low latency. If the project is modest you should be fine. My laptop is three years old (and specs were pretty average)  -   it handles well a project with drum synth, couple TH3 instances, reverb and few other plugins. Price and convenience - incredible.

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 10:53:59 (permalink)
    Thanks Pawel.
    I did see this cable while web searching, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.
    I will definitely check it out.

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 10:54:56 (permalink)
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    At $!50 there really isn't a lot of god choices. 
    The Scarletts, Tascam 2x2, Stienberg 22 and PreSonus? 
    Not sure about this Zoom one but --https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/U24  
    All will be in the same ballpark for RTL around 7ms, all will have same sound quality (objective) but then you do need to look at features because this is where they are different. In the price point the Tascam 2x2 has the best features in/out wse as well as both buss and wall wart power. 
     
    Another option for you might be what I use which is a Tascam handy recorder. You can use it to record you guitar and vocals and dump it into Sonar. That's how a lot of my songs start. 
     Zoom makes porta studios that have drums and whatnot built in. Talk about portable.    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R8zoom  


    Thanks for all you suggestions, Johnny.
    Basically, I really like TH3 and messing around with different amp tones really inspires my songwriting. That's the only purpose of buying a new interface for my laptop. Just need something small and stable enough to plug and play.
    Guess I got spoiled with RME's latency, so maybe I'm putting my hopes a little to high..... 

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 11:08:58 (permalink)
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    ... Guess I got spoiled with RME's latency, so maybe I'm putting my hopes a little to high..... 




    I have seen people on this forum saying that they managed to get latency in Wasapi exclusive mode under 9ms (!).  I am quite happy with 12-14 ms and it is achievable with my old laptop and Rocksmith.

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 11:26:36 (permalink)
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    slyman

    ... Guess I got spoiled with RME's latency, so maybe I'm putting my hopes a little to high..... 




    I have seen people on this forum saying that they managed to get latency in Wasapi exclusive mode under 9ms (!).  I am quite happy with 12-14 ms and it is achievable with my old laptop and Rocksmith.


    Thanks.
    I'll see if any music stores around here have this in stock. 12-14 ms seems acceptable, but I would have to give it a try first.
     
     

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 11:45:24 (permalink)
    12 ms would not work for me with guitar sims. We each have our tolerance for RTL latency and mine needs to be around 6 before I stop noticing it. 
    You didn't mention wanting to work with amp sims as that really changes everything. I'm afraid that makes it tricky as you will need real good drivers and a CPU that can handle low buffer settings. 

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 11:50:57 (permalink)
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    12 ms would not work for me with guitar sims. We each have our tolerance for RTL latency and mine needs to be around 6 before I stop noticing it. 
    You didn't mention wanting to work with amp sims as that really changes everything. I'm afraid that makes it tricky as you will need real good drivers and a CPU that can handle low buffer settings. 


    I did mention TH3 in my initial post. 
    But I agree with you that at around 6-7 ms it starts to be distracting, to say the least......

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 12:04:30 (permalink)
    Sorry I did miss that TH3 , because I actually didn't know what it was  :) 
    Because my interfaces are around 7-10 ms RTL I just don't use guitar modeling sims. 
    I like my stomp boxes and my Blackstar Amp. 
    I love the idea of sims but have never been able to play them the way I'm used to playing through a real system. I like to feel the punch of hitting the strings, not hearing it as a delay. 
    Not sure what the latency of the Blackstar is, but it must be pretty low or blended. 

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 13:29:27 (permalink)
    I use a combination of amp sims and mic'd amp in my studio, depending on the tone I'm after.
    I get around 3-4ms RTL with my Babyface, so it's a dream to use with amp sims.
     
    Problem with audio interfaces is that you can't really try them out with your setup before buying....you have to do some homework and get some user feedback...like I'm doing here, basically...
     
     
     

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 17:47:50 (permalink)
    If I made my calculations correctly 12 ms is the time sound travels 4 meters (c. 12 ft) from the source to my ears. I just wonder if you can really tell whether you stand 2 or 4 or 6 meters from the amp by the way you feel the latency?

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 18:52:44 (permalink)
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    The steinberg UR 22 is a good choice.
    The in - out  latency is lower as of the focusrite scarlett series -


    Thanks everyone!
     
    Peter, I did check out the Steinberg's. They are certainly budget friendly but from what I read, there are no true Windows drivers available for their low end models anymore and even their website suggest using ASIO4All drivers. Is that what you are using?




     That's news to me.  I was just there. No mention of this information. Drivers are updated to 1.99 and firmware released last.  Never had issues with this unit.  The newer units are UR22mkII.

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 22:54:29 (permalink)
    Yes, I have the Steinberg UR22mkII working on my laptop for mobile recording very efficiently.
    I like that it's USB bus powered, no power cord needed.
    At 64 samples buffer size, I can get 9.6 msec round trip latency.
    The driver install worked perfectly, and I can easily switch to Sonar's new feature using the Windows WASAPI drivers to be even more portable, without any extraneous wiring, just the laptop, and a set of headphones plugged in directly . . . doesn't get any more portable than that ?

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/21 23:54:55 (permalink)
    Ya..I'm expecting that...I have a Babyface Pro, but there is no way it's getting out of my home studio...
    But I was kind of hoping there was a (cheap) hidden gem out there that could bring me latency around 4-5ms as I'm not going to use tons on plugins/tracks....

    Slyman,
    Not to hijack the thread completely, but are you satisfied with the Babyface Pro and how it works with SPLAT?   Sounds like your latency is great, and the drivers stable when compared to my Focusrite 2i4--- just not sure if its worth double or  the price...
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/22 00:58:16 (permalink)
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    If I made my calculations correctly 12 ms is the time sound travels 4 meters (c. 12 ft) from the source to my ears. I just wonder if you can really tell whether you stand 2 or 4 or 6 meters from the amp by the way you feel the latency?


    Your calculations are correct. I use amp sims all the time with a SONAR-reported 12.5 msec RTL, and while there may be a slight delay, it doesn't bother me in the least. Maybe this is due to decades of playing live and getting used to standing wherever there is room to stand on the stage and having to play in sync with the band. Sometimes it's a luxury if I can get within 4 meters of my amp. 

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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/22 03:22:05 (permalink)
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    Yes, I have the Steinberg UR22mkII working on my laptop for mobile recording very efficiently.
    I like that it's USB bus powered, no power cord needed.
    At 64 samples buffer size, I can get 9.6 msec round trip latency.
    The driver install worked perfectly, and I can easily switch to Sonar's new feature using the Windows WASAPI drivers to be even more portable, without any extraneous wiring, just the laptop, and a set of headphones plugged in directly . . . doesn't get any more portable than that ?


    @ Sly
    Yes, I also have the UR 22 mk 2 .
    9 ms rtl at 128 samples.(HP Probook 6450 b, Core I5, 2,6 ghz,  Win 10 -64)
    It´s bus - powered, has balanced ins and outs .
    propper asio  drivers , not asio for all!,are available :
    https://www.steinberg.net/de/support/downloads_hardware/downloads_ur22mk2.html
     
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/22 04:01:31 (permalink)
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    Afrodrum
    If I made my calculations correctly 12 ms is the time sound travels 4 meters (c. 12 ft) from the source to my ears. I just wonder if you can really tell whether you stand 2 or 4 or 6 meters from the amp by the way you feel the latency?


    Your calculations are correct. I use amp sims all the time with a SONAR-reported 12.5 msec RTL, and while there may be a slight delay, it doesn't bother me in the least. Maybe this is due to decades of playing live and getting used to standing wherever there is room to stand on the stage and having to play in sync with the band. Sometimes it's a luxury if I can get within 4 meters of my amp. 


    Good  Point,
    but on  a stage every instrument has(4ms ) this or another latency.
    Small stages do not have large latencies
    and on large stages there is a monitoring system.
    During a recording session the latencies differ a lot between the 
    record signal (rtl ) and the playback latency, which is in some devices
    proclaimend 0 ms  .
     
    A rtl larger as 10 ms is feels like running behind an escaped horse,
    that´s why for many  musicians this is the limit-   10 ms rtl.
    Some need less, some can accept more.
    post edited by Pragi - 2017/02/22 17:26:21
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    Re: Portable USB interface 2017/02/24 13:40:35 (permalink)
    bokchoyboy
    Slyman,
    Not to hijack the thread completely, but are you satisfied with the Babyface Pro and how it works with SPLAT?   Sounds like your latency is great, and the drivers stable when compared to my Focusrite 2i4--- just not sure if its worth double or  the price...
    Salud!


    Been using the Babyface since early December and I must say it's a great unit. The sound quality is amazing and drivers are rock solid. Actually, I upgraded from a 2i4 first generation which was kind of dropping on me at times.
    Not one issue with the RME.
     
    Thanks everyone for their feedback.
    I finally got a Scarlett Solo to use with my laptop and it's exactly what I needed. It's very compact, and I must admit they did a very good job with the new 2nd gen drivers. I'm getting 7.6 RTL at 44100 - 64 samples.
    Thanks again, guys.
     
    FYI, as a bonus, Focusrite is offering a free XLN Audio Addictive Keys instrument licence in February.
     
     
     

    Sonar Platinum, Gigabyte H87-HD3, Intel 4770k, 16Mb Ram, Win 10 Pro, RME Babyface Pro, Roland A-Pro 800, Presonus Studio Channel, Kemper Profiling Amp, Strat/Tele/LesPaul/Taylor 214ce/Dean Cadillac/P-Bass
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