Possible effect bug

Can anybody repro?
 
X3C
 
Steps
 
Middle of a project song...
Short audio Audio clip approx 3 secs.
Right click audio clip add vst2 effect that will last 3 times as long as the clip (has to be longer anyway) such as a delay or reverb.
Effect now assigned to single clip.
Play
 
Expected
 
Audio plays. Effect plays for 9 seconds
 
Actual
 
Effect only plays as long as the clip itself.
 
Cheers.
 
 

I've always slip-edited for clip FX for exactly that reason - "effects tails are cut off, unless you slip-edit the end of the clip to leave space."
 

John
It seems to me it is a good feature. It allows control on the time the effect is heard. Also I don't read it as it will play without an increase in the clip length. 

If the clip already has to be extended to hear an FX tail non-destructively, why even mention that it has to be done before bouncing?
 
It makes some sense to me that the output of clip FX would be bounded by the clip in real time as well as when bounced, but that's not clearly stated.

IIRC it's always been like this with Sonar and is not a bug, but I think it flows from the structure of clips vs. tracks.
 
The clip length defines the totality of the clip. Therefore, clip length takes precedence over something that's a subset of the clip, which is the case with a clip effect.
 
However with a track, the clip is a subset of the track. Therefore, an effect applied to the track takes precedence over the length of a clip, and the effect tail will continue after the clip has ended.
 
I prefer this protocol because when adding clip effects, I'm interested solely in having something happen to that clip. If I do want an effect to have a "tail," then I can slip-edit to make the clip longer but I would not want this to be the default.

CakeAlexS
Seems pretty clear to me that both behaviours should be available and should be set in the preferences area after this discussion.

 
I understand where you're going with this, but I don't know whether making this change would be trivial or difficult. If it's trivial, sure, why not? But (and remember I don't know coding!!) I get the sense it would require re-defining a clip to include that which happens when there's no longer a clip, or somehow divorcing the plug-in from the clip so it can have a "tail" that exists independently of its relationship to the clip...that seems like it might be hard to pull off. It's easy to have the tail exist independently of the clip when its frame of reference is a track instead of a clip.
 
It's like when I asked the guys at Ableton why when you recorded a performance it didn't record solo button presses. They said they considered the solo button a diagnostic feature for the studio, not something used in live performance (although I'm not the only one who uses it live). I said "so why not just make a preference where the solo button could either be recorded or not?" Seems simple, right? They replied that the solo button functionality was buried so far down in the code it would take a huge amount of effort to change something that was more or less hard-wired into the program's DNA, and they didn't know what might get broken in the process.
 
Seems to me that what defines a "clip" in Sonar might be equally immutable. But again, that's not based on anything other than a gut feeling.

as long as there is an audio SOURCE the effect plays.  this includes loops.  when the last loop is finished, the effect will stop abruptly because there is no longer an audio source.  
imagine having two overlapping audio clips on a track, and wanting different effects on each, so that you can select them both and bounce them down.  this is more of a sound design idea, but very useful in certain situations. 

i should have added "on purpose" to the overlapping clips on a track thing...

Yup exactly that, it doesn't flush the audio buffer afterwards I notice. So If you stop, rewind and playback the track you may here the reverb continuing in the wrong place...

> Is it expected behavior? Don't know
 
Na can't be expected unless you are a timelord.
 

John
"imagine having two overlapping audio clips on a track,"
I run across this problem in another form from time to time, all I do is cut the clip from its track and stick it on another by itself. There I can manipulate it all I want in all sorts of ways. Its really clip abuse. But no one is telling.

that's exactly how I deal with this too.
it might not be book standards but you know sometimes you need to be creative.
I do this with guitar solos, vocal lines that extend in to another bar.
I do this quite frequent.