Possible to put track Send PRE FX bin?

It seems that the send is always post FX.  Is there a way to have the signal sent before the fx are applied?

The workaround is to send a track to two buses - one with FX, one without.

With a stereo track that has a mic signal on one side and a DI signal on the other, why not split it into two separate mono tracks (or record them into two mono tracks) and skip the channel tool altogether?
 
Rocky

You're losing me because I'm not sure quite what you're trying to do. You're recording two separate signals - one DI and one miked from the amp. Check. But then you mention using the channel fader to control output of the recorded track while listening to the miked amp. By the "recorded" track, do you mean the dry track? And by listening to the miked amp, do you mean while you/re playing, listening to the recorded track of the miked amp, or listening to the dry track feeding the miked amp, which you are then going to re-record?
 
When you say you want the same flexibility with amps that you get with VSTs, a VST is always re-amping because it's always processing a dry signal. So, maybe all you really need to do is clone the track with the dry guitar part, and insert the external insert in the clone so you can do your thing with the amp. Meanwhile, you can put a VST on the original dry track. As there will likely be different amounts of delay, you can insert a channel tools in the earlier track to dial in a matching amount of delay.
 
Then you can listen to both tracks simultaneously, do an opposite mute group so you can A/B the two, bypass the VST, etc. You would also have independent control over the volume for each track.
 
You could also just split the guitar so it only gets recorded dry, while the other split goes to the amp which you can set up for the right feel for your playing. After recording your part, clone the dry track and start playing around with the amp sound.
 
Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what it is you want to do...if you could explain the goal rather than the process you're trying to use to implement the goal, I might be able to provide a better solution. But it seems to me that cloning the dry track might be ideal.

Any reason not to clone the track? Seems very simple, flexible, and doesn't require busing.

RobertB
Maybe I'm missing something here.
I just turn off Post, which switches the send to un-post(ie pre). I've been doing this for years, and have a current project with an amp sim in the track Fx bin, plus pre fade sends to two busses with two other amp sims.
All three sims are getting the clean source track as input.

Are you sure? AFAIK sends are post FX bins. You can only switch pre- or post-fader, which is also after the FX bin.

With post off, the send is not affected by the track volume fader.

The solution that I've settled on is to send the related stereo DI/57 tracks to their own bus that contains a channel tool.  When I want to listen to the 57 I use channel tool "right to mono".  When I want to reamp, I set channel tool to "left to mono" and enable the hardware insert.  

Just use and open the effects in the PRO-Channel Rack area and not in the FX bin area
 
CJ

Anderton
Any reason not to clone the track? Seems very simple, flexible, and doesn't require busing.

I was thinking as Craig has mentioned. There seems to be some unclear info about what you're trying to do...

I do completely agree that having a pre-fx send option would be greatly appreciated. I believe I have feature requested such in the past...

But if it's for playback needs alone, cloning the track and using no fx on the cloned track should handle things. I only seem to run into actual need of the option when I'm trying to do live fx monitoring while recording...

Keni

mettelus
Now I need clarification... isn't the tap point of a pre-fader send still after a post-FX ProChannel (i.e., any FX in the PC will still be in the send)?

Yes it is, but it would be very convenient to have a tap both before and after fx.... I've asked for this before... But there are workarounds for most situations so I guess not enough of us has requested this feature...

I'm from the old world of tape and analog, so I still think to use this... ;-)

Keni

I request that as well! Post fader would include post fx-bin - I believe this is what people expect that it does until they realize it does otherwise(like I just did by reading this good post..)

Unfortunately some experimentation shows that creating a 2-in 4-out plugin doesn't work as a sidechain send. The plugin can be configured as both an effect and an instrument, meaning it can be placed inside an FX bin, as well as in the synth rack. When used in the synth rack, it's outputs become available as inputs to other tracks and busses.
 
However, when it is placed inside an FX bin (where we need it), it's outputs are no longer available as inputs to other tracks and busses.

Thanks hanstheman...

Thinking about it afterwards I realized that...

Keni