Possible to retain clip name after bounce?

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2014/09/12 11:13:32 (permalink)

Possible to retain clip name after bounce?

Hi Folks,
 
Does anyone know if there is a setting that would allow individual clips to retain their names after applying bounce to clips on them? I'm not bouncing multiple clips together, so there wouldn't be a conflict of which name to associate the new clip with, though I can see why the potential for that scenario may mean that no such setting exists.
 
Anyway, just wondering if this is possible, as it would save me a bunch of time in the project I'm working on. 
 
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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 11:21:56 (permalink)
    Not that I know of. On reason for maintaining different names is the undo function needs to keep track of both before and after bounce clips.
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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 11:41:33 (permalink)
     Would an "Automaticly Name Clips After Bounce to Clips" Feature Request generate any momentum? I think I would benefit from this.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 11:50:14 (permalink)
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     Would an "Automaticly Name Clips After Bounce to Clips" Feature Request generate any momentum?



    Not from me if it meant limiting undo. What I do is copy the clip name from the inspector and paste it in the name for the new clip. To verify what scook says, if I want to undo the bounce, I have to undo the clip rename first.
     

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 11:56:31 (permalink)
     Of course an acceptable implementation of this feature would not limit undo.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 12:18:06 (permalink)
    Thanks for the responses! I'll consider submitting a feature request.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 12:28:57 (permalink)
    But due to what scook pointed out, at minimum, it would have to add something like "Clip name [bounced]." But then it's not the same name, which was the original request.
     
    A bigger problem is determining what happens if you're bouncing clips with different names, which is extremely likely unless all the clips were derived from the same file and obtained by splitting a single clip. Sonar would have no way of knowing which clip you intended to use as the "master" name.
     
    Think about it: if the Inspector is open, it's one Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V. If the Inspector isn't open, you simply need to type I. I think specifying what was wanted for your specific bounce situation would likely not be much simpler. You'd probably have to select the clip with the "master" name and somehow specify it's a name that should persist during the bounce operation. I think that when you totaled up the keystrokes to specify what you want for a unique bouncing situation, it wouldn't be much different from ctrl+c then ctrl+v and would probably involve mouse clicks as well.
     
    One workaround is that if the clip should have the same name as the track, you can drag it to the desktop and drag it back in again. It will assume the project name and track name when you drag it to the desktop. But I still think ctrl+c and ctrl+v is easier.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 12:32:17 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the responses! I'll consider submitting a feature request.




    Before you do, I'd suggest coming up with how you want the feature to work for the various use case scenarios. For example, what happens if you're bouncing multiple clips on multiple tracks? What happens if the clips in the same track have different names? Would this also apply when bouncing to tracks? Etc. Simply saying "I want to keep the clip name when I bounce" only covers one use scenario, and a fairly limited one in that the only way the clips are going to have the same name is if they're all splits from the same file.
     
    Just as bug reports are most effective when they include steps to reproduce results, feature requests are most effective when they consider all the possible ways in which that feature request will impact the program.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 12:37:11 (permalink)
    I just thought of one option...when you chose bounce to clips, it could open up a dialog box where you could name the bounced clip. That would save one mouse click:
     
    Click in bounce dialog box field > enter name 
     
    Compared to:
     
    Click on clip > click in Clip name > enter name
     
    But I'm not sure saving one click justifies having to deal with a dialog box every time you want to bounce a clip. Also. ctrl+C and ctrl+V (four keystrokes) might take less time than typing in the name anyway, unless the name is shorter than four characters.
     

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 12:48:19 (permalink)
    Thanks, Craig. I was thinking along those lines, too. It could also be set to have the option of choosing the previous name, if it were a single clip, or, if there were multiple clips, selecting the name from a list of those included in the bounce.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 12:56:53 (permalink)
     Or some kind of built in batch file thing where you can select a bunch of clips, and rename them all according to a windows explorer type of sorting list (track name, take number, name of preceding marker, whatever you want ). Existing clip names could be optionally overwritten or modified. This would replace the "Automaticly Name Clips After Bounce to Clips" thing I was talking about before. Am I getting carried away?

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 13:51:08 (permalink)
    I'm really starting to think the easiest option is ctrl+c / ctrl+v...once you get a drop-down menu and force a selection every time you bounce, I think it would get annoying pretty quickly unless you don't bounce very often. And if you wanted to choose a different name compared to one of the clips, you're back to square 1.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 13:52:58 (permalink)
    worstcaseontario
     Or some kind of built in batch file thing where you can select a bunch of clips, and rename them all.



    You can do this already. Select however many clips you want, open the Inspector's clip tab, and enter the clip name. This renames all selected clips. 

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 13:54:27 (permalink)
    This renames them all the same name, or do I miss something?

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/12 14:02:39 (permalink)
    Yes, it renames all selected clips with whatever name you enter in the Inspector's Clip tab.

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    Re: Possible to retain clip name after bounce? 2014/09/13 11:28:21 (permalink)
     Sorry, Administrator Anderton, but I am not asking for a feature Sonar already has. I can't speak for the OP, but It appears that you have missed my point. You have twenty-seven clips spread across twenty-seven tracks , all INDIVIDUALLY named, decide you want to bounce them to clips, you end up with twenty-seven NAMELESS clips(Irrefutable so far I hope). The OP asked for a way for Sonar to remember the clip's name after the bounce-to-clips. This was met by concerns about undo. I suggested some kinda bulk renaming feature whereby you could select a group of clips, and have them renamed INDIVIDUALLY along the lines of track name, take number, whatever things Sonar already knows about the clips.

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