Nobody takes PTLE seriously.

Loser edition ;-)

hey david, have you tried 7 (yet)? wondering if you're having the same S5
ASIO wipe out i'm having..

jeff

ps: ASIO wipe has a familar ring to it .....

No, I'm still living in "MIX" land- I'm stuck at 6.4.1 until next year... or longer :)
I'm going to wait until their PCIx solution comes out and move over to Intel Macs.

I know it's possible because DP and Logic do it, but I'd LOVE for Sonar to be able to load it's mix engine into the TDM dsp, and use TDM (and RTAS) plugins natively.

That would TOTALLY rock...

wouldn't it now !!! .. please please!!! .. i'd pay a premium to use the hardware on not have
PT ;-)

jeff

If Sonar would come out with a proprietary, omni accessible, integrated studio console, with a couple of firewire options, they would attract some of the loyal pro-tool heads as well...I certainly would like to see a SONAR Control in the not too distant future...People love BIG consoles and studio gadgets, ans wouldn't be as scared to play with iot on a studio level...After all, Arent they dealing with edirol?...

i feel you, I dont care if its edirol or not but there should be some marriages, euphonix's, rme, uad doesnt really matter , any hardware daw products company with respect, mackie maybe, just not peavey, I still cant imagine why there arent more feom roland and cakes marriage,

I don't know why.
I Don't care, really.

SONAR does what I want.

SONAR works with what I have with very little muss and fuss ( and money )
AND I'm not going to waste thousands more to find out about ProTools.

Make do with what you have
Make music - stop the insanity.

who resurrected this? .. i want names....

I was going to say basically the same thing oobleclaboodle has posted. Protools has become the default standard of Pro Studio's Digital Editing and Mastering process. A few other things I would like to add are the fact that ProTools was originally developed in conjunction over years with professional engineers as a step forward into the digital age by giving more editing capability during post-production and mastering of professional product since the primary media format for distribution has become 16/44 CD format. The process of recording and mastering has become mostly digital. You still find people that like to talk fondly about Tape and Analog and will still use a tape machine to record but when it's time to Edit and Master everybody knows you have to go digital. Once there you know you can't go all the way back. Bottom line is that Their first offering to the consumer was the Digi001. It gave the common man access to 24 tracks of rock solid analog style audio recording with awesome solidity and audio quality for about $800. If you wanted to go all the way you could get Waves Gold Plugins and a control surface, additional preamps and headphone mixer, mics, stands, cables and everything for just a few thousand. The original Digi001 was culled technology from their flagship product at the time, ProTools HD Full Blown and used a PCI card. The Digi001 was ProTools LE 5.3.1. I have upgraded to 6.4 which is the most stable version running today in windows and is currently used until they get everything worked out with all versions up to 8.0 Being just a scaled down version of the HD hardware platform with the "Light" version of the software is really just a simple way of making the product 'seem' less valuable and they were able to offer it at a reasonable price but you were getting top of line outboard processing PLUS onboard PCI interface with additional hardware support. Rock sold with almost imperceptible latency. Anymore you wont find that type of interface, everybody is using their USB or Firewire and it is basically dumping the entire job on the processor of the computer and limiting the amount of live tracks you can roll during single a recording pass. My system has ADAT support and allows me to record up to 18 tracks at one time without a problem. I am running a 10 year old AMD 2400+ PC with 1GB of RAM. I NEVER HAVE PROBLEMS. I HAVE NEVER NEEDED SUPPORT. I decided it was time to upgrade and I have a new spiffy PC with firewire and a quad core processor so I am like yeah dude. So I go in and they don't even want my old hardware and the special was last year yada. So I am lookin at the Digi002 and 003 and other MBOX units I am thinking what do these do that mine does not? 1. Allow me to use a laptop instead of a PC because if the interface? Don't care. 2. require me to choose between more expensive options that have less features and some cheesy plastic keyboard control surface, upgrade to unproven software and buy new plugins because the old ones aren't supported?  Don't really care about that because I have a rack mounted 1U server for my PC. Anyway I was thinking about the whole processor firewire/usb deal and how I am still totally satisfied with my 01 I decided to keep it. It doesn't support anything higher than 6.4 but that is the best current version and supports ASIO, so WTF? Long story short, a friend of mine just picked up a Digi001 from a guy on Craigslist for $100 bucks and installed it in an old Xp machine he had and he is hooked. If you are thinking about where to go you might take a look at an old Digi001 and $35 for the 6.4 upgrade. Those whimpy little USB/Firewire units really load your system down and don't offer the performance you want or the Protools software. Get an old Digi001 and throw it in some old beater, I guarantee you will not be sorry. 

He used search

That's probably first choice when searching for Audiosnap in 8.5.3

Wow, this came up from the depths. Strange to have a thread resurrected, and be mentioned after all this time!
What I said about PT still stands

Oh, and for extra comic effect, my Captcha image when logging in was PTHD

Erm, why does the post preview box now look like some kind of fake-vista window? Looks very odd on Linux running Gnome!

psychotech


I was going to say basically the same thing oobleclaboodle has posted. Protools has become the default standard of Pro Studio's Digital Editing and Mastering process. A few other things I would like to add are the fact that ProTools was originally developed in conjunction over years with professional engineers as a step forward into the digital age by giving more editing capability during post-production and mastering of professional product since the primary media format for distribution has become 16/44 CD format. The process of recording and mastering has become mostly digital. You still find people that like to talk fondly about Tape and Analog and will still use a tape machine to record but when it's time to Edit and Master everybody knows you have to go digital. Once there you know you can't go all the way back. Bottom line is that Their first offering to the consumer was the Digi001. It gave the common man access to 24 tracks of rock solid analog style audio recording with awesome solidity and audio quality for about $800. If you wanted to go all the way you could get Waves Gold Plugins and a control surface, additional preamps and headphone mixer, mics, stands, cables and everything for just a few thousand. The original Digi001 was culled technology from their flagship product at the time, ProTools HD Full Blown and used a PCI card. The Digi001 was ProTools LE 5.3.1. I have upgraded to 6.4 which is the most stable version running today in windows and is currently used until they get everything worked out with all versions up to 8.0 Being just a scaled down version of the HD hardware platform with the "Light" version of the software is really just a simple way of making the product 'seem' less valuable and they were able to offer it at a reasonable price but you were getting top of line outboard processing PLUS onboard PCI interface with additional hardware support. Rock sold with almost imperceptible latency. Anymore you wont find that type of interface, everybody is using their USB or Firewire and it is basically dumping the entire job on the processor of the computer and limiting the amount of live tracks you can roll during single a recording pass. My system has ADAT support and allows me to record up to 18 tracks at one time without a problem. I am running a 10 year old AMD 2400+ PC with 1GB of RAM. I NEVER HAVE PROBLEMS. I HAVE NEVER NEEDED SUPPORT. I decided it was time to upgrade and I have a new spiffy PC with firewire and a quad core processor so I am like yeah dude. So I go in and they don't even want my old hardware and the special was last year yada. So I am lookin at the Digi002 and 003 and other MBOX units I am thinking what do these do that mine does not? 1. Allow me to use a laptop instead of a PC because if the interface? Don't care. 2. require me to choose between more expensive options that have less features and some cheesy plastic keyboard control surface, upgrade to unproven software and buy new plugins because the old ones aren't supported?  Don't really care about that because I have a rack mounted 1U server for my PC. Anyway I was thinking about the whole processor firewire/usb deal and how I am still totally satisfied with my 01 I decided to keep it. It doesn't support anything higher than 6.4 but that is the best current version and supports ASIO, so WTF? Long story short, a friend of mine just picked up a Digi001 from a guy on Craigslist for $100 bucks and installed it in an old Xp machine he had and he is hooked. If you are thinking about where to go you might take a look at an old Digi001 and $35 for the 6.4 upgrade. Those whimpy little USB/Firewire units really load your system down and don't offer the performance you want or the Protools software. Get an old Digi001 and throw it in some old beater, I guarantee you will not be sorry. 

I'd fix your enter key on your keyboard. I might be bothered to read the post then. What a blur of words........

Glad someone other than me said it...I got dizzy trying to read the post and gave up! *LOL*

I hate to say this but that post is the very best advertisement for a native DAW like Sonar I have yet read.  I know that was not the intent of the poster but read it and have a laugh about how powerful a Digi001 is. Or that he is still a decade or so behind the rest of us. Its very funny. What it shows is how very little he knows about Sonar. I wont go into detail but his assumptions are from a decade ago.

BTW this has nothing what so ever to do with the fairly well rounded post that Ooblecaboodle posted much further back. 

This artist records all of their Albums in a small project studio with Sonar.

Smooth Friction

Its the Skills. Not the tools!

It gave the common man access to 24 tracks of rock solid analog style audio recording with awesome solidity and audio quality

 
Digi 001 and "awesome audio quality"?
Have you measured the noise-floor on that thing? 
You'd do *far* better with a $170 M-Audio Audiophile 192... running ProTools M-powered.
The rounding error alone working top-to-bottom at 16Bits is terrible by today's standards.

As a graduate of Full Sail, and an audio professional who was trained in Pro Tools 6.4, I see both sides of the coin. Yes PT HD is expensive, but do you really want to replace an $80K tape machine with a $500-$600 firewire interface? Not in a commercial facility. You want the replacement to be as good or better, not necessarily the cheapest route.

When I upgraded our old system, 2 Alesis HD24's feeding a Yamaha 02R96, to MOTU PCI424 with 2408Mk3 interfaces, after some intense tweaking by Sonar 7 we had a very solid system, then came the upgrades.

You talk about marketing...I was completely content with the stability of OUR system on Sonar 7, 8 got rocky, and 8.5...well I haven't used it since a crash that led to sending 12 singers home and wasting time and money. S8.0.2 is working fine now and that is what i need, stability.

I wish there was more time between releases, I know CW doesn't, that's not their agenda.

I love Sonar and it's workflow, even being trained in Protools, which is why I don't understand what all the negativity so many have on either side, PICK ONE AND JUST MAKE MUSIC, who cares what you use, as long as the end result is good tunes and/or post prod that enhances the viewer's/listener's experience.

For perspective, i just finished work on a DVD release, and all of the editing was done on an iMac with an MBox mini, with PT LE 8 with the DV toolkit, and a Focusrite Contol24, and 3 FW drives daisy-chained(picture, SFX, audio). While editing I was running PT8, 2 search engines for FX, MS Word open for my cues sheet reference with internet enabled. A very stable system running 60+ tracks, from 1 drive(audio), that still got hung up and needed the occasional reboot(only happened once in 7 days).

All in all PT is great and Sonar is great, as long as they are working....

[size=3 font="times new roman"]Wow, I’m surprised that none of you really answered the question. 
[size=3 font="times new roman"] 
[size=3 font="times new roman"]Protools has dedicated hardware, mix cards that handle all the processing for the pc or Mac.  Protools guarantees the amount of tracks and effects that can be used with their processors.  Need more tracks buy another mix card; it’s as easy as that. They don’t fumble around stressing the PC by adding a reverb to a track, actually the PC only runs the software.  All other tasks are offloaded to the card, that’s why they can run full blown resource eating effects.  The software is such a small part of the protools system they didn’t include midi recording until a few years ago, before then they were audio only.   They also started making a less expensive package that includes the software and maybe a soundcard but that is not a protools system at all.  That’s kids play to them for a real system be prepared to fork out at the least 5k to 7 k.  That will get you one mix card, (24 for tracks I’m sure) the software, and a bunch of effects.  The rest is up to you with the front end gear and monitoring.  That’s why the get jobs like Star Wars sound tracks and audio production.  They can handle the load…
[size=3 font="times new roman"] 
[size=3 font="times new roman"]Peace is with you…
[size=3 font="times new roman"] 
[size=3 font="times new roman"]That being said Cakewalk Rocks.  Wish they wouldn’t have merged with Roland…