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Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
Hi everybody,
I have always used Cakewalk and used the staff view to enter the notes for beat patterns for my hardware drum machine. I am very bad at figuring out what a better way to do that is. Can you recommend the nicest interface or view for programming rhythm hits?
There was a neat little screen in sonar that seemed to be presenting a grid interface, but after I added about 8 different rows to it (one for each voice/midi note on my drum machine) it ended up crashing the program so I gave up on that, but it was a cool idea. I forget the name of the screen that was.
What do people use if they have a drum machine and sonar x3 and are tired of entering beats on the staff view?
Thanks for any advice!
J
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John
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 01:55:12
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The PRV is a great way to input drum notes.
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euronymus
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 02:08:33
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Hi john,
Thanks for the reply. i will try to use piano roll instead and see if i can adapt.
I am still curious if anybody has used that step sequencer thing amd whether it works or is buggy.
J
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 02:13:06
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The Step Sequencer works well. I just like the PRV for its power and ease of use. To a degree i look at the Step Sequencer as a tool for composing drum parts and the PRV for inputing parts.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 02:17:36
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Ah ok. What i liked about the step sequencer was you can easily tell what line is which part. Instead of seeing all the keys inbetween the ones you use and having to fish around for which one you want. Othereise i can think of the beat in my head. If they could make a filtered view of the staff view, showing only select notes, that would be a great tool.
The step sequencer reminded me of fruityloops which is very easy to use, but i do not want to wrestle with it to get the midi functionality to work. Id hate to change software.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 02:57:56
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Hi, Im also looking for advice on how to enter drum patterns in Sonar X3.
I have both Addictive Drums 1 + 2, but cant remember how to input the drums into a midi track. I remember that originally I had found a way to do this in step sequencer, but cant remember how I did it.
Im about to try following this guide I found, and hopefully that should get it working:
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 04:35:50
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Hi, I am no expert on this subject but I agree with John 100%. I like having a sort of total view type thing going on when I input drums. I know there are other ways to do this but the Piano Roll View just seems to be the natural way for me.
Sorry Bhav I don't have Addictive Drums and it might not be the same as Session Drummer. I wouldn't want to tell you something that wasn't correct but there are plenty of very knowledgeable people on this forum who will be able to help you out.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 07:30:46
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In PRV I have all the drum kit pieces labeled because I use BFD 3. It automatically creates a drum map. If you have a set of drums that you are using create a drum map for it or see if one is already made. This takes the mystery out of the PRV for drums.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 12:48:52
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I use step sequencer. I believe I set up a default sequence with each kit piece labeled, one measure long and no notes in it (or may 1) that I use as a template.
I have never had a crash in step sequencer and it works well for creating patterns.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/06 13:20:26
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I've been using the Piano Roll View to edit my drums for years.
I made a video a few years back, its a bit dated (and it could be better) but its the basics
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/07 14:51:30
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John
The PRV is a great way to input drum notes.
I agree. PRV is the only way I do it.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/07 14:52:19
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I did not know you could label the notes in PRV, that would solve my problem for sure. Ill take another look. Also i see a video in another post, will.check that too.
Glad i asked, thanks everybody!
J
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/08 09:57:20
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euronymus
I did not know you could label the notes in PRV, that would solve my problem for sure. Ill take another look. Also i see a video in another post, will.check that too.
Glad i asked, thanks everybody!
J
I tried posting a link to the cakewalk guide in my previous post with how to do it, but im not allowed to post links yet so it gets removed.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/08 12:59:28
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I typically use a drum software module to create a pattern (such as session drummer or BFD3), then export that MIDI pattern to Sonar and do any granular editing in the PRV. Creating from scratch in the PRV is tedious for me. I've never tried the step sequencer or matrix view, but those are on my agenda to learn someday.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/11 19:51:15
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Hello, I've followed the full guide for 'Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR' in Cakewalk's knowledge base, but Im still not getting the PRV to view drum names instead of piano keys.
Not sure if I can post links yet but:
cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/11 21:41:52
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Bhav
Hello, I've followed the full guide for 'Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR' in Cakewalk's knowledge base, but Im still not getting the PRV to view drum names instead of piano keys.
Not sure if I can post links yet but:
cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR
did you download the AD drum map as well ? You might have to "Show drum pane" in PRV. Also (if you have multiple instruments in the PRV) make sure you have drums in focus in the PRV.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/11 22:35:01
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The AD2 drum map works well. But the only way I have ever figured out how to load one up is to start out by loading the track template for AD2, that includes a drum map.
This also loads the drum map into the step sequencer as well. Very handy.
If there is a way to load the map without inserting the template, I would love to know!
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/12 05:31:59
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Bhav
Hello, I've followed the full guide for 'Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR' in Cakewalk's knowledge base, but Im still not getting the PRV to view drum names instead of piano keys.
Not sure if I can post links yet but:
cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR
did you download the AD drum map as well ?
You might have to "Show drum pane" in PRV. Also (if you have multiple instruments in the PRV) make sure you have drums in focus in the PRV.
Yes I installed all three files in steps 2-4 into the correct directories, and double and triple checked that they are in the right place. Well it just randomly worked right now, finally I can finish my demos. Dammit, but no it didnt. ?The track with the drum view was playing through addictive keys instead, so I deleted it and inseted a new AD2 track, and now its playing as drums but still has piano keys in the PRV. This is so annoying! Been trying to get this to work for about a week now :( When I go to the 'show drum pane', its blank like this: i.imgur.com/Hvcr5E0.png
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/12 15:15:48
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here's what I want you to do. Go to the addictive drums midi track or a blank area in that AD track and right click / choose Views/ PRV. This will open up the AD drums in the PRV. It sounds like what is happening is you either A- Don't have focus on AD drums or B- Don't have the drum pane open. Heres your link http://i.imgur.com/Hvcr5E0.pngFYI- you might be clicking on the wrong track (try track 20 or 21) that's the midi track. You also may have a controller lane pegged all the way up, covering the PRV. to be honest I cant really tell.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/12 15:49:19
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chuckebaby
Go to the addictive drums midi track or a blank area in that AD track and right click / choose Views/ PRV.
This will open up the AD drums in the PRV.
Heres your link
http://i.imgur.com/Hvcr5E0.png
That pic shows exactly what I get if I use " Insert > Soft Synth > Drums > Addictive Drums 2". If I instead use " Insert > Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > AD2 > AD2 Track.cwx", then I get the desired drum map view in piano roll and step sequencer.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/12 20:31:45
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chuckebaby
here's what I want you to do.
Go to the addictive drums midi track or a blank area in that AD track and right click / choose Views/ PRV.
This will open up the AD drums in the PRV. It sounds like what is happening is you either A- Don't have focus on AD drums or B- Don't have the drum pane open.
Heres your link
http://i.imgur.com/Hvcr5E0.png
FYI- you might be clicking on the wrong track (try track 20 or 21) that's the midi track.
You also may have a controller lane pegged all the way up, covering the PRV. to be honest I cant really tell.
I tried this on tracks 6, 20, and 21, I still get the blank white PRV. abacab
chuckebaby
Go to the addictive drums midi track or a blank area in that AD track and right click / choose Views/ PRV.
This will open up the AD drums in the PRV.
Heres your link
http://i.imgur.com/Hvcr5E0.png
That pic shows exactly what I get if I use "Insert > Soft Synth > Drums > Addictive Drums 2".
If I instead use "Insert > Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > AD2 > AD2 Track.cwx", then I get the desired drum map view in piano roll and step sequencer.
Yes this is how I have inserted the the track template, through Insert > track Template > Soft Synth Track templates. Suppose I'll have to wait for Cakewalk support to look into this for me.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 10:47:47
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chuckebaby
I've been using the Piano Roll View to edit my drums for years.
I made a video a few years back, its a bit dated (and it could be better) but its the basics
How do you add the 4 separate beat boxes per bar into PRV? I'm just going to try and complete my piece with the piano keys in PRV now.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 15:59:07
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Bhav
How do you add the 4 separate beat boxes per bar into PRV?
PRV menu; View - show vertical gridlines.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 16:12:22
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OK, I figured this out!!!
The AD2 drum map works well. But the only way I have ever figured out how to load one up is to start out by loading the track template for AD2, that includes a drum map.
This also loads the drum map into the step sequencer as well. Very handy.
If there is a way to load the map without inserting the template, I would love to know!
If you only insert the AD2 as a simple instrument track, you will not have a separate MIDI track to work with in the track view. Based on the Sonar help file, you will need a MIDI track to accomplish this. Inserting a track template works, but so does splitting the instrument into separate audio and MIDI tracks. To assign a MIDI track to a drum map:1. Display the Track view if it is minimized.2. In the track you want to assign to a drum map, click the Output drop-down and select a drum map from the options in the menu that appears.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 16:20:55
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It is not necessary to split an instrument track to use a drum map. Use the inspector MIDI tab to access the MIDI output setting. 
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 18:03:59
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OK, that too. Thanks scook! I did think about that after I posted. 
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2017/03/14 18:20:35
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That screenshot that scook posted might work, its probably the only thing I havnt yet tried.
Cakewalk support told me to try going into preferences > drum maps for a play around, but that still didnt work and now Im waiting for the next reply on what to try next.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 18:37:54
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Yup. it works!!! Also by using "Preferences> Drum Map Manager" it will let you insert a preset drum map into the project from the "Map Setting: presets" dropdown box. Choose "AD2 Standard" here. If you do this, then that drum map will be made available from the Midi tab in the track inspector, otherwise you need to select "New Drum Map" from the inspector. If you do it this way Choose "AD2 Standard" here. Do you see "AD2 Standard" anywhere? Bhav
That screenshot that scook posted might work, its probably the only thing I havnt yet tried.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/14 19:17:04
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Yes, thats what support said, to select AD2 standard in preferences > drum maps, then I'll try scooks screenshot the next time Im on my computer.
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Re: Preferred view or interface for entering drum patterns with Sonar X3?
2017/03/15 19:44:50
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It is not necessary to split an instrument track to use a drum map. Use the inspector MIDI tab to access the MIDI output setting.
Im trying to find this menu but cant find where I need to left click to get it. NVM, I just found it and finally got the drum pane showing up :) http://i.imgur.com/5W1xO4H.png
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