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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 04:32:17
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I've looked at the Studio One 3 reference manual (13% the number of pages as the Sonar manual) and also at some online tutorials and demos, and I'm having a hard time getting excited about it. I use software synths and hardware synths, and I do a lot of editing in Sonar's staff view. In the manual and tutorials, I didn't see any equivalent to Sonar's staff view or MIDI event list. Studio One seems to have a nice feature set for audio, but very little for MIDI editing. Of course, I'd be happy to be contradicted by an experienced S1 user.
I don't want to jump until I find a product that has the features I need.
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Came to the same conclusion. Looks like I will be going to Cubase.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 04:46:26
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Not sure about this exactly, but there appears to be a separate product they offer, called Notion 6. It's a scoring tool I suppose, and it can work in tandem with Studio One - "the workflow between Notion 6 and Studio One 3 is unprecedented" - apparently. Anyway, I mention this because I'm guessing it might cover more of the midi stuff (maybe?) and it's worth noting that you can get it bundled with Studio One at Audio Deluxe and the discount is larger, so you can have both for $189 which is only $20 more than getting Studio One on it's own.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 05:57:43
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$224.98 for bundle when I checked at audio deluxe or is that with another voucher.
Edit,..,...just noticed coupan to apply at checkout 😀
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 06:01:21
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2017/11/22 13:37:30
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$224.98 for bundle when I checked at audio deluxe or is that with another voucher.
Yeah - voucher takes off $35
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 06:09:22
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Well I tried the demo and I don't like it...think I'll stay with Splat until something blows up lol
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 06:09:24
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Well I tried the demo and I don't like it...think I'll stay with Splat until something blows up lol
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 07:41:20
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I have just upgraded from Studio One 2 to Studio One 3 because there is a good deal on Audio Deluxe for the upgrade. It was only $83.98 and I guess I better start learning it now!
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 12:59:56
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Gibson has losses if they bury the software code.
I hope they will sell the code to another company.
yeah but the core stuff is now rather old, so no so useful
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 13:02:16
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i've been using s1 since the x1 mess (also demo'd reaper at the time) and i would happily recommend it to anyone now looking for an alternative to sonar
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 13:15:32
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I am not sure i see the point.
Its not as if our copy of sonar will vanish.. not one person here NEEDS a new DAW, today.
I for one wont be hopping onto anything different any time soon.. the improvements in Sonar in the last 18 months represent more improvement than from 8 > x3 so i am good for a few years.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 13:27:56
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i'm interested to see how it pans out
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 13:33:28
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pwalpwal
i'm interested to see how it pans out
Ditto... I'm a hobbyist so no need to make any knee jerk reactions just yet. I updated my "paid for" Reaper just to remind myself why I never jumped ship two years ago. I've downloaded the Studio One demo and had a quick play this morning. I'll still be using SONAR, though, until it no longer works...
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 13:36:32
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I always used SO as a secondary program. Mainly because I learned Sonar first not because SO is a less capable program. Much like Sonar you can configure the GUI and everything is drag and drop. It actually has soft synth capabilities that Sonar doesn't have if you dig into the user manual. The only thing it might be slightly behind in is midi editing.Still capable in that area all depending on what you need to do.
A couple of other pluses about it are:
-Tight hardware/ software integration with their line of hardware which goes all the way from basic to pro level stage mixers.
-works on both Mac and PC
-Also has touch screen capability
-Has intuitive keystrokes for some of the more important functions.
- regular updates.
-stable operation
-For those who like sheet music or making music and printing it out the addition Notion is amazing.
Really once you get into it some things are probably easier and a few not so much.
I have no reason to do anything at the moment. All of my most recent projects have been exported and printed. I still have a robust copy of Sonar and the most recent copy of SO3. I'll continue to use both programs as long as I can.
I'm Tmothy over on the Presonus forum BTW. Their forum needs some help. Not anywhere near as good as this forum. It it tough to find the forum from their main page.
I wish the best for Cake and its employees. I hope Gibson does the right thing and sells Cakewalk to a worthy buyer.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:19:12
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Acoustica is offering Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio for only $99 right now thru Tuesday (45% off $179 SRP). Check out the Acoustica pages. My name is Anthony Conte (currently VP for the Mixcraft DAW), and I spent 19 years at Cakewalk, including 12 years as the Vice President of Sales. For decades I worked with many of the brilliant, incredibly talented folks that now find themselves out of a job. My heart aches for the current Cakewalkers and the thousands of SONAR users across the globe. Simply put, this is the end of an era in the world of MIDI and Digital Audio recording.
While I do not know the fate of SONAR or what Gibson’s plans are for Cakewalk, I can assure all the current Cakewalkers that their future is bright. For the last six years, I have been lucky enough to have landed at a like-minded company, Acoustica, makers of Mixcraft 8, an award-winning DAW for the PC. Not coincidentally enough, Acoustica freakishly reminds me of the early days at Cakewalk. A small but growing music software company made up of great people who are passionate, innovative, hard-working, and who have all become my family. Acoustica is committed to making Mixcraft a DAW that SONAR users will want to seriously consider adopting. Thanks,Anthony
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:29:02
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to add to the pluses list, there's also a dedicated free ios app for remote control
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:29:44
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Acoustica is offering Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio for only $99 right now thru Tuesday (45% off $179 SRP). Check out the Acoustica pages. My name is Anthony Conte (currently VP for the Mixcraft DAW), and I spent 19 years at Cakewalk, including 12 years as the Vice President of Sales. For decades I worked with many of the brilliant, incredibly talented folks that now find themselves out of a job. My heart aches for the current Cakewalkers and the thousands of SONAR users across the globe. Simply put, this is the end of an era in the world of MIDI and Digital Audio recording.
While I do not know the fate of SONAR or what Gibson’s plans are for Cakewalk, I can assure all the current Cakewalkers that their future is bright. For the last six years, I have been lucky enough to have landed at a like-minded company, Acoustica, makers of Mixcraft 8, an award-winning DAW for the PC. Not coincidentally enough, Acoustica freakishly reminds me of the early days at Cakewalk. A small but growing music software company made up of great people who are passionate, innovative, hard-working, and who have all become my family. Acoustica is committed to making Mixcraft a DAW that SONAR users will want to seriously consider adopting. Thanks,Anthony
Thanks for the heads-up Anthony, Perhaps this should be posted elsewhere, though, seeing as this topic is sort of associated with Presonus? https://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/mixcraft-pro-studio.html
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:30:57
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/22 14:31:24
hi anthony, are you offering a cross-grade price for sonar users?
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:31:11
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Erm... 14 day trial doesn't seem long enough for me though...
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:32:11
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hi anthony, are you offering a cross-grade price for sonar users?
That would help... Extended quite a bit beyond all this Black Friday shenanigans...
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:32:55
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/11/22 14:35:47
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I spoke with Rick Naqvi of Presonus. He's aware of the issue with Cakewalk and said that by next week they may be offering a special crossgrade to Cakewalk users. However, I have no idea what that actually means.
I think it means that Rick is a DAW to DAW salesman. Been saving that pun up for ages.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:36:22
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2017/11/22 14:40:29
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I think it means that Rick is a DAW to DAW salesman.
thanks for that, i just sprayed my monitor with beer 
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:39:51
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Mixcraft had a fair number of plug ins. I'm not sure about vst compatibility though. I would look into that. Lots of folks love that DAW. I won't be buying it since a lot of what it does is too basic for what I do.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:44:33
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Mixcraft 8 supports VST 3. Acoustica is offering Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio for only $99 right now thru Tuesday (45% off $179 SRP). Check out the Acoustica pages. My name is Anthony Conte (currently VP for the Mixcraft DAW), and I spent 19 years at Cakewalk, including 12 years as the Vice President of Sales. For decades I worked with many of the brilliant, incredibly talented folks that now find themselves out of a job. My heart aches for the current Cakewalkers and the thousands of SONAR users across the globe. Simply put, this is the end of an era in the world of MIDI and Digital Audio recording. While I do not know the fate of SONAR or what Gibson’s plans are for Cakewalk, I can assure all the current Cakewalkers that their future is bright. For the last six years, I have been lucky enough to have landed at a like-minded company, Acoustica, makers of Mixcraft 8, an award-winning DAW for the PC. Not coincidentally enough, Acoustica freakishly reminds me of the early days at Cakewalk. A small but growing music software company made up of great people who are passionate, innovative, hard-working, and who have all become my family. Acoustica is committed to making Mixcraft a DAW that SONAR users will want to seriously consider adopting. Thanks, Anthony Starise
Mixcraft had a fair number of plug ins. I'm not sure about vst compatibility though. I would look into that. Lots of folks love that DAW. I won't be buying it since a lot of what it does is too basic for what I do.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:49:41
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☄ Helpfulby chamlin 2017/11/22 21:26:19
Back in '08, IIRC, I won a free copy of Studio One Artist in a drawing at the Presonus booth at NAMM. I didn't wait until I got home but installed it on my laptop that night at the hotel. Stayed up late figuring it out, went online and watched tutorials, jotting down notes on what it got right.
For the most part, features fell into two categories: things they got right and things they hadn't gotten around to yet.
For example, I liked how they implemented automation, but at the time S1 couldn't freeze tracks. I liked the routing freedom, but hated the crude PRV. My conclusion was that Studio One had a long way to go before it would be in SONAR's class - but if they kept going the way they were, eventually it would be awesome.
Remember, S1 is the new kid on the block. It's less than ten years old, much younger than any of the major players. Now, at version 3, they've addressed many of my earlier complaints. MIDI editing is better and you can freeze tracks. In a few areas they've even surpassed SONAR, such as the ability to split signals for parallel processing within a track. They have a feature I've been begging CW to implement for years - start and end markers.
They've still got a way to go before they catch up on bundled instruments and effects, but they're working on it and seem determined to match features with every major DAW. For that reason, I think hitching your wagon to Studio One is probably a safe bet for the future.
That said, I have no intention of switching at this time. SONAR does everything I need it to do, but most importantly I know it well enough that it's transparent to the creative process. Microsoft could break it someday, but that day is a long way off and may never even happen at all. More likely is some future plugin incompatibility, but I'm not concerned about that because even after all these years collecting plugins there isn't a single one of them that I couldn't do without.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:50:04
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Hey Synkrotron, Acoustica is offering Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio for only $99 right now thru Tuesday (45% off $179 SRP). Check out the Acoustica pages. Acoustica is committed to making Mixcraft a DAW that SONAR users will want to seriously consider adopting. I am 100% certain that we will have a sustained campaign over time to invite SONAR users to the Mixcraft community. The company is so much like Cakewalk used to be in the early days that it's scary! Very cool company. Thanks, Anthony synkrotron
pwalpwal
hi anthony, are you offering a cross-grade price for sonar users?
That would help... Extended quite a bit beyond all this Black Friday shenanigans...
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:55:36
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I am 100% certain it will extend beyond Black Friday deals thru the rest of this year. Stay tuned.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:55:52
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That's a good price for a DAW Anthony. It wasn't clear to me how much of Mixcraft was proprietary the last time I visited the website.
I would also look at customer satisfaction. This should be the case with any daw. Cubase has had more issues than Sonar. These issues might not affect you directly if the bugs were in something you didn't use.
Since I previously owned a copy of Studio One I was able to crossgrade at 74.00 from JRR. Less than the 99.00 asked for Mixcraft. Since I liked Studio One it was a no brainer for me. Mixcraft doesn't have a hardware line like Presonus does.
And here is what I think is an important point to consider- Once you buy into a daw crossgrades are always less painful. I can crossgrade a 399.00 software package to the new version for 74.00. Why would I look at Mixcraft?
At the price points mentioned a few dollars here and there aren't always deciding factors for something you will invest a lot of time using.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 14:56:49
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Having a look at Mixcraft now...don't know why I didn't consider it as an option before. I guess I'd just written it off as an immature future contender. But looking at how far they've come, I'm impressed.
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 15:12:40
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bitflipperdon't know why I didn't consider it as an option before
marketing, which, ironically, i think contributed to sonar's demise
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Re: Presonus May Offer a Special "Crossgrade" to Cakewalk Users
2017/11/22 15:46:33
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bitflipper
Having a look at Mixcraft now...don't know why I didn't consider it as an option before. I guess I'd just written it off as an immature future contender. But looking at how far they've come, I'm impressed.
checking it out myself... thanks for the heads up... tried Studio One, but don't "get it" at this point... we'll see. EDIT: Mixcraft available to new users for $99 (Black Friday deal) Pro Studio v8
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