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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/09/02 08:47:06
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Looks pretty cool. Do these kinds of mixers experience latency with long plug in chains?
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/09/02 09:41:49
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Couldn't tell you Mod, but, yes, it does look kewl....
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/14 14:44:33
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The rm32ai looks awesome! I could eliminate a mountain of cabling and three analog mixers in my studio _and_ gain per player headphone mixes. I could retire my old Dakota/Montana cards too. I could go on ... The only downside is the lack of physical faders everywhere will be less visually impressive when someone walks in for the first time.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/14 14:47:10
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Need to wait for the Dante card to come out first though, I already have GB Ethernet cables in the conduit under the floors which is perfect, and I don't want to buy any more FireWire cards as it seems to be a dying protocol.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/14 14:51:34
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I was worried it would not be useful in a studio situation after remembering how loud my 16.4.2 fan is.
But, not an issue, it has no fan, cool!
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/14 14:56:16
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/14 15:39:21
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Gentlemen, this WAR! It's a jungle out there ... ;-)
Seriously though, at least they sound confident that it's stable.
If it weren't stable the product would be worthless IMO.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/16 22:58:30
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I was worried it would not be useful in a studio situation after remembering how loud my 16.4.2 fan is.
But, not an issue, it has no fan, cool!
??? I think your unit must be defective. I too have the 16.4.2 and my Neumann TLM103 mic running through a DBX 376 compressor [super sensitive mic set-up] is just 18"-24" away from the back of the unit, and it doesn't pick up the slightest bit of fan noise. To be honest, I didn't even know they had a fan until I read this post - that's how quite mine is - didn't even know about it.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 03:55:03
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The old model StudioLive didn't have a fan problem, I'm not sure it even had a fan. The new model StudioLive AI series has a much uprated CPU and has gained a reputation for having loud fan issues. Not a problem for live use, or if all your mics are in a separate recording room but does cause issues for people like us who mostly record in the same room as the mixer.
The RM series (a rack mount StudioLive AI) does not have fan issues.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 06:02:40
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How about if you mix with the mixer in the same room as the mix monitors?
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 07:58:25
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I think it is a great concept. In a studio situation I feel though you need a separate computer to control it permanently, not your DAW computer. The controlling computer is your mixing console. It is easy to set that up.
It is still geared for live use. I would like them to create a studio version.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 09:31:05
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How about if you mix with the mixer in the same room as the mix monitors?
The fan in the 32AI is noisy in that it is easily picked up by a mic in the same room, making "quiet" recordings sound noisy. It's not loud enough to cause problems with your mix during playback.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 09:35:17
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Jeff Evans
I think it is a great concept. In a studio situation I feel though you need a separate computer to control it permanently, not your DAW computer. The controlling computer is your mixing console. It is easy to set that up.
It is still geared for live use. I would like them to create a studio version.
If you're using an RM in the studio you just connect to it like any other audio interface. You use it's inputs and outputs and ignore all the rest. If you MUST play with it, say for monitoring, the remote interface is part of the driver, so using a separate computer to control it doesn't gain anything.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 15:32:56
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I dont agree Karyn. I can see where you are coming from. I work with a computer and a digital mixer and various input sources coming into the digital mixer. For example there are situations for me where I dont even turn on my main DAW at all but just do some stuff with the digital mixer and the monitors. eg listen to a live synth or a CD player etc.. Bit silly to fire up your main machine just to do this. That is the reasoning behind always having a smaller dedicated computer to control the hardware. I believe the software is very light on the CPU so a very reasonable laptop could do the job very easily. Also less likely for things to go wrong with the mixer software while your main machine is under serious load too.
I still would like to see Presonus (or anyone for that matter) develop a total studio version of this instead. ie be nice to have all the inputs and outputs on the rear of a studio version of this rather than the front. (maybe mic inputs on front and all the line inputs on the back perhaps) It would be neater and look much nicer too. Plus some extra features such as full monitoring options, multiple headphone outputs with programmable options there etc.. More internal bussing and effects processing etc..
But it is an interesting development and could signal the way forward in the future I guess. The potential for this to be way more powerful than current digital mixer technology is enormous not to mention the fact they can update the mixer software regularly giving it new features all the time. Something that is not so available with digital mixer hardware.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2014/11/17 16:07:45
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Jeff, have you ever used any of the PreSonus mixers? The software is light on the computer because it's just remote control. No mixer processing is done by it. It doesn't impact the DAW at all because it's built into the driver. By using the driver you're loading the control software by default. And however hard you make the DAW work it won't affect the mixer, because the software is just remote control.
If you want to run an RM without switching on your DAW then an iPad is actually your best option. If you opt for a cheap laptop then you may as well just turn on your DAW computer.
I agree there should be a more studio friendly version though. I'd like A/B monitor switching and a remote volume control and talkback. In fact everything the remote unit for the FireStudio 2626 gives me...
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2015/01/11 02:27:50
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Finally got my hands on one of these a few days ago. Waiting for Dante to be realized, so I'm giving it a spin with the unsupported fw400 using a $10 fw400 to fw800 adapter. With fw400 and a 64 sample buffer size I can run Presonus's "Capture" to record all 52 inputs simultaneously and the Windows DAW CPU meter never crests 3%. Can't try out 88.2 or 96 kHz due to my 25 foot long FW cable.
I did have a UC Surface crash though while running it on my DAW, so the jury is still out, I'm hoping it was an isolated event. Need to keep pounding away on it while the return window is still open. I want this to work!
Compared to my rack full of 4 m-Audio Octane's this thing really runs cool! Love the lack of a fan, its dead silent.
Anyway, it seems to work OK, haven't tried it with SONAR yet, but will soon. The potential for eliminating wiring and excessive heat producing gear in my studio is staggering. I hope it works out!
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2015/01/11 06:21:45
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Let us know how it pans out Eric, I want one of these as well though mainly for live use.
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Re: Presonus RM32AI and RM16AI
2015/01/17 01:33:38
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Got a few hours of stick time mixing with SONAR using my existing FW400 port: https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?p=25706#p25706It seemed to be working fine with X3, but I will pound on it more next weekend. This wasn't stressing the RM since it was only two tracks, but it's the mode I'm working in for 90% of the time, so it's a good test for me.
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