cclarry
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Price Increase on X3 Producer...
In the Cake Store X3 Producer is now $599.00!!! And the SALE price is $525.00!!! Glad I got it when I did.... Upgrades haven't changed....but I don't think a price increase was warranted or WISE on the part of Cakewalk....IJS....now is not the time to drive customers away...
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 19:13:38
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Maybe they're just listing the MSRP the way Gibson prices guitars on their web site. You see the product in the store for $100 less and go nuts. It could also be an attempt to firm up their dealer network. My local music chain is still selling X1 and the web site makes it almost impossible to find. Perhaps a price increase for direct purchase will push people to distributors. Pure speculation of course.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 19:33:13
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Wow just over a year ago I bought X1 Production Suite with a free upgrade to X2 for $299.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 20:12:57
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Seems to me it's priced like its competitors. If you're the type that can't wait - you either buy at an introductory sale price or an upgrade price - otherwise, you pay the full ticket. I don't think that someone who's three or four versions behind at this point is particularly worried - they would have bought by now if they were that interested - same for other's moving into Sonar for the first time. For all else, wait till someone has it on sale - it's what you'd do for any purchase.
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cclarry
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 21:35:54
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Well SG...it's been $499 for the past X number of years... And they couldn't really sell it then...so I don't think that raising the price is going to be conducive to sales for Cakewalk....IJS...
I got the upgrade...been in since X1....but still...to me...bad idea...
They had a buttload of people BALK at the $50 increase in the upgrade price... So raising the "outright" price by $100...I think Gibson wants to kill them off.... and there are still A LOT of issues with X3...
Just not a good idea...not in a depressed Economy....and Cubase, which is A FAR MORE viable program (ducks) is still $499.00, and has FAR MORE, and better features then X3... and Studio One was just on sale for HALF PRICE...
I think it's a pretty ludicrous move..unless, as I stated, Gibson wants Cakewalk to die...
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 21:42:42
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Sweetwater still has it for $499, so I'm not sure why the CW site is more.
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Rain
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 21:55:50
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ampfixer Maybe they're just listing the MSRP the way Gibson prices guitars on their web site. You see the product in the store for $100 less and go nuts. It could also be an attempt to firm up their dealer network. My local music chain is still selling X1 and the web site makes it almost impossible to find. Perhaps a price increase for direct purchase will push people to distributors. Pure speculation of course.
That used to be the case though I was surprised to find that they'd put the actual price on their web site for the new 2014 models - at least for the models that I've looked at. The SGJ, for example, is listed at $499, same as actual price. The Les Paul Classic is also listed w/ it's actual non-inflated price IIRC. At any rate, it's still going for $499 at Sweetwater - same as Cubase and Digital Performer.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 22:14:27
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PT 11 is $699 so SONAR X3 is still competitive.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 22:16:07
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Leadfoot Sweetwater still has it for $499, so I'm not sure why the CW site is more.
Going head to head with your discount big box distributors isn't a good idea, that's why.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 22:29:04
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I love the new home page, Maybe they are paying for it through new increased price. ;)
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 22:45:17
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 23:14:19
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JohnKenn Reaper for $60.http://reaper.fm/
Full license is $225. At least compare apples to apples.
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JohnKenn
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/09 23:32:01
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225 for commercial, 60 for individual. Left to personal honor defined by how much you are making a year on the program. Don't see any hit records by you or me out there so far. Likely we'll never cross the theshold asking for a 225 commercial license. Right about apples and apples. Depends on what the need is. I stand corrected. Thanks.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 00:48:42
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Mod Bod
Leadfoot Sweetwater still has it for $499, so I'm not sure why the CW site is more.
Going head to head with your discount big box distributors isn't a good idea, that's why.
Exactly. $25 more on the company site is about right.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 01:22:22
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Seems like questionable timing though, what with Cubase 7.5 out just 5 days ago. Logic would dictate to make it more attractive right now by throwing a sale on, instead of a price increase. Then for those on the fence between the 2, they may sway some to instead of fro that way.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 21:06:35
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In the X3 forum there is a new sticky talking about new vendors that offer downloads of Sonar as well as links to worldwide boxed product vendors. This indicates to me that it is correct to assume the price increase is an attempt to encourage more vendor sales.
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cclarry
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 21:59:53
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JohnKenn Reaper for $60. http://reaper.fm/
Reaper is a VERY good product. I had to use it for one my recent Classes, and it has a very small footprint, is open source, so highly customizable, and you can write your own plugins for it... For $60 for non and $225 for commercial it's a steal...and one of the main reasons (ha ha) I keep saying these guys are all moving in the wrong price direction...
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 22:11:02
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I use stuff that is classed as sonar's rival as well and the upgrade model isn't 100% good for me.. to make me wait till it's far cheaper.. why would I want to buy a product that is being already patched up to D... and yer you did forget the x2 patches.. so sorry, want me to pay for bug fixes.. I'll take it at a discount (if at all)... I don't have this issue with the other 2 big vendors I use.. AND one does bug fixes about 1.5 years after release.. cake are too quick with their cut off point and to expect their yearly sub.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 22:11:04
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** mines a double :) **
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cclarry
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 22:15:33
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The issue is this...if Sonar wants to make any headway against their competition... Then they should be trying to sell as many as possible by lowering prices...not scaring people into buying other products by raising prices....that's just common sense...
Which is, obviously, in short supply...
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 22:52:27
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cclarry The issue is this...if Sonar wants to make any headway against their competition... Then they should be trying to sell as many as possible by lowering prices...not scaring people into buying other products by raising prices....that's just common sense...
Which is, obviously, in short supply...
IF that was good business sense iPhones would be selling for $100.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 23:06:21
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Pricing software can be much more complex than it seems on the surface. Target customer (this is very important), dev costs, support costs (which varies across targets considerably), partner license costs for bundles, competitor products, competitor's pricing, etc. etc. etc. Believe it or not, sometimes you sell more by RAISING your prices than you do by lowering them due to perceived value. And if you don't sell more units, you might still increase your profitability on what you do sell. It seems to me Cake's management is pretty smart, and I wouldn't read too much into this. Besides, they can always lower their price if they need to, and call it a special! ;)
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 23:25:34
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There have been studies showing that in retail a lot of people won't bite until they see 30-40% off. Of course, the retailers know this and put an original price 40-50% higher so they can run such sales. No doubt Cake (or Tascam Professional Software) will be seen selling 30% off this week only sales of Sonar for $399. @
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/10 23:39:37
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Craig Anderton posted a few months ago: "Well I've learned a lot about how the software business works in the past few months...a lot of a product's upgrade price depends on whether there's third party software involved, and if so, what the licensing fees are. If you see anything in a piece of software that wasn't made by the company itself, somewhere a royalty check is being cashed " http://forum.cakewalk.com/This-is-good-news-indeed-Gibson-is-buying-us-that-is-why-they-got-Craig-m2890809-p6.aspx In the light of this, consider the impressively extensive collection of 3rd party software and content bundled w/ Sonar... Actually, I found it rather odd when I visited the Cakewalk home page for the first time in months tonight and saw that the focus was put rather heavily on 3rd party products - XLN Addictive Drummer, a Nomad Factory plug-in, AAS Lounge Lizard, Melodyne. Almost as if Sonar itself was a mere bonus...
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/11 00:35:19
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Well... Effectively I think they did lower their price. Hear me out on this: They changed around what is offered in various versions and really, the Studio version is now the "full" software package. I can't see anything functionality wise that it doesn't have. Unlimited audio/MIDI tracks, high sample rate, 64-bit mixing, surround support, VST2/3, Prochannel, ARA, good basic FX set, etc. All that for $200. That competes with the top end version of Cubase and such. No, it doesn't have every FX pack and sampler Cakewalk sells included, but it comes with all the basics, and no limitations that I can see. It is "top range" software from any other vendor. Producer is now kinda the "extra" version. It comes with more FX, a bunch of Cakewalk's samplers and synths, and a bunch of 3rd party content. It is the kind of thing that gets you more features, if you don't already have stuff you like (or if you just want more) but you don't need it to get any abilities unlocked, it isn't limited near as I can tell. You compare that to, say, Cubase Artist at $250 and there you have no surround, 64 audio track limit, no MIDI device maps, and so on and you can see what I mean. Also I think part of it may just be the "MSRP overstating" that resellers love. Producer is $500 near as I can tell. B&H, Sweetwater, zZoundz, Guitar Center, all sell it for $500. In the audio world, that just seems really popular. Resellers like for manufactures to overstate the MSRP, so they can give you a great "discount" and you feel happy. However part of that is the manufacturers usually can't offer you too much a discount on their site. I'm not that bothered because I think, were I to buy in today, I'd probably get Studio X3. It looks like a full featured DAW to me. I don't see anything and say "Man, why did they have to disable that!" which is what I see with all the other DAWs at the $200ish pricepoint.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/11 08:53:27
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CW store has always been more expensive in UK than retailers. I have always bought boxed upgrade versions from a retailer more or less at time of release for less than the download. It'll be on "sale" soon enough, so probably just a move to make the disount look bigger I would think.
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/11 13:25:41
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JohnKenn 225 for commercial, 60 for individual. Left to personal honor defined by how much you are making a year on the program. Don't see any hit records by you or me out there so far. Likely we'll never cross the theshold asking for a 225 commercial license. Right about apples and apples. Depends on what the need is. I stand corrected. Thanks.
The point is there are far less expensive versions of SONAR also. Whether or not you or I make a hit record is irrelevant - SONAR gives you the license to (the rest is up to you). (My reasons for selecting SONAR producer over Reaper are more about the differences in features between the two - so (my opinion only) even the "apples to apples" reference was being very kind to Reaper. (Flame Suit On).
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/11 22:56:39
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The greater the price, the greater the savings in a sale
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cclarry
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/12 06:09:31
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Rain Actually, I found it rather odd when I visited the Cakewalk home page for the first time in months tonight and saw that the focus was put rather heavily on 3rd party products - XLN Addictive Drummer, a Nomad Factory plug-in, AAS Lounge Lizard, Melodyne. Almost as if Sonar itself was a mere bonus...
Technically...it IS...as most of what you're paying for is the 3rd Party Content, which most serious users already own anyways...so not much of an "enticement" IMHO...
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Re: Price Increase on X3 Producer...
2013/12/12 21:04:26
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Maybe Cake is planning on finally adding the muffler bearings so desperately needed and the price increase reflects that?
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