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2008/10/04 06:26:21 (permalink)

Price of V-Studio 700

It sure would be nice if Cakewalk would publish the price even if it's approximate. Seems like a tactic a large company might do, oh like a Roland for instance.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 06:51:21 (permalink)
    I think that's a little harsh, the figure of approx $4000 has been stated (with a $200 rebate for Sonar 8 users). It looks like it is not shipping until january (at the earliest) and i think with the current state of the World economy I'd be a little hesitant to put out a RRP at this stage!
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 07:29:19 (permalink)
    the figure of approx $4000 has been stated


    And I need this why?

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 07:59:58 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Silence Dogood

    the figure of approx $4000 has been stated


    And I need this why?


    . . . of course you NEED it ! ! !

    but sounds like you and me both don't have $4000 worth of need for it
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 08:15:08 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Lemonboy

    I think that's a little harsh, the figure of approx $4000 has been stated (with a $200 rebate for Sonar 8 users). It looks like it is not shipping until january (at the earliest) and i think with the current state of the World economy I'd be a little hesitant to put out a RRP at this stage!


    It may be even a bit more 'harsh' when owners realize that unlike the video examples, you'll still need your mouse and QWERTY board 40% to 60% of the time. I have a Yamaha O1x - I trust my workflow is somewhat reflective of the average Production / Post-Production needs of an engineer and $4k for 8 mic pres, and a control surface, with ADAT and some other I/O could be had for less $ with components. Not to mention the $19 QWERTY board and $19 mouse.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 08:24:47 (permalink)
    Again this depends on your needs. Remember you also get a Roland hardware synthesizer included as well. All in if you have a use for most of the other things included in the package , I personally think it would be a good deal. If however you already have a good audio interface, or a control surface, or a hardware synth you would choose over the Roland Fantom VS, then of course the value for money would not be as much.

    Im sitting on the fence at the moment and waiting to hear the reviews first before I decide to put my money down on this.
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 09:24:46 (permalink)
    A control surface version only, of this...would be pretty cool...at the right price point...

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:19:02 (permalink)
    Im sitting on the fence at the moment and waiting to hear the reviews first before I decide to put my money down on this.


    No kidding.
    There's a dedicated HD right?

    So I'd GUESS this rig would be as seamless and solid as say my trusty VS 2480 right?

    The thing is why would Sonar users want yet another hardware synth?
    That's kinda one of the soft synth uses we bought SP8 for right?

    And will it use cards like the UA?

    But I do want the damn thing....
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:26:01 (permalink)
    And can ya use aftermarket plugs?

    Proprietary CDR DVDR external HD?
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    post edited by Westside Steve - 2008/10/04 10:29:21
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:31:01 (permalink)
    What I don't understand is while people are still waiting to receive their Sonar 8 Cake launches this. OK I'll bite the bullet why would anyone want this or what will this do that say a Yamaha 01X and numerous other FIREWIRE controllers don't do already? Oh and remember that USB has been slagged and kicked to death on this forum for a long time as in if you do not have Firewire you are just not serious. OK where are all the USB knockers now or could it be that if it is a Cakewalk USB then its in. I'm still hoping that someone who has 8 can convince me that they can do things on it that I can't in 7.2 (Never bothered with .3 bit). Yes I will update but I really need convincing as the 6 to 7 update was, after the initial what a great purchase I have made; a real damp squid.

    Nothing new in linking hardware to software Yamaha/Steinberg have been doing it for a while and I suppose they are Cake/Rolands direct competitor. Despite being able to control the mix from the 01X I still do it with my mouse. The novelty of sliders can wear off. I know that many of you would buy your underpants from Cake if they had Cakewalk embroidered on them but I get the feeling they are losing touch and if not their touch certainly their timing.

     
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:48:03 (permalink)
    40% to 60%

    Don, be careful when using this kind of language...it is not appreciated by everyone...
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:51:00 (permalink)
    The novelty of sliders can wear off. I know that many of you would buy your underpants from Cake if they had Cakewalk embroidered on them but I get the feeling they are losing touch and if not their touch certainly their timing.

    Strong opinions. Not discounting or disparaging them at all, but still pretty harsh-ish-y...
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:51:32 (permalink)
    Apart from the benefit for you fader and knob lovers, I just don't get the appeal of this.

    Seems like a tactic a large company might do, oh like a Roland for instance.


    Better get used to it.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 10:58:14 (permalink)
    A control surface version only, of this...would be pretty cool...at the right price point...


    +1 on that.

    It would have to pretty price competitive with the other control surfaces currently available. I know that the spin will be that it is developed by Roland/Cakewalk, so its integration will be far better than any third party surfaces, but that still doesn't mean that it should not be very price competitive.

    The one thing I was kind of disappointed with for the release is that it felt to me like they had a bunch of VS recorder parts still in inventory at Roland so they thought they could reduce inventory by making this unit from those parts. A perfect example is the "V-Link" button on the thing. Did anyone ever use that?

    I look at companies like Euphonix who is now using touch screen technologies and say aren't we beyond the "hold this button down and toggle this rotary dial to...". It seems like we could have a very powerful/flexible unit that doesn't require memorizing button/rotary sequencies to make something happen on screen.
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 11:01:26 (permalink)
    Remember that they are appealing to first time buyers as well. Those who are new to the daw world.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 11:02:52 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jinga8

    The novelty of sliders can wear off. I know that many of you would buy your underpants from Cake if they had Cakewalk embroidered on them but I get the feeling they are losing touch and if not their touch certainly their timing.

    Strong opinions. Not discounting or disparaging them at all, but still pretty harsh-ish-y...



    Not really I started getting used to the Sonar 8 Banner and still waiting for some decent hands on feedback before making the jump. Now I'm getting this Croland Controller. Loved Sonar 6, 7 was really a damp squid and before anyone get's some serious hands on 8 we get hit with this. Could it be to take minds off of 8?

    Talk of harsh I remember defending the Edirol UA-25 and the flac I took on that one over it being USB. The solid body of regular high profile posters were in no doubt that the only way forward was Firewire. No doubt they will all soon be posting that USB 2 is the dogs nuts.

     
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 11:12:39 (permalink)
    The solid body of regular high profile posters were in no doubt that the only way forward was Firewire. No doubt they will all soon be posting that USB 2 is the dogs nuts.

    Ok. Again, harsh. Not untrue, I'm sure...but...what does it have to do...oh, nevermind, Cadiz es "las rodillas de las abejas" in my opinion...so you get a pass...
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 11:18:41 (permalink)
    I bought my first ADAT fifteen years ago for $4000.00. I got an 8 track recorder... only. That said, you have to consider that there wasn't many alternatives at the time. The article mentioned that there would be other more budget oriented products following this initial release.

    I would imagine that street price for the unit will be more in the $3000.00 range.

    Me, I'd rather see a SONAR oriented control surface only. Lose the I/O unit and the built in synth. I've got 16 channels of I/O already and if I wanted a hardware synth, I'd already have one.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 12:33:49 (permalink)
    Original: Westside Steve

    No kidding.
    There's a dedicated HD right?
    And can ya use aftermarket plugs?

    Proprietary CDR DVDR external HD?
    WSS

    Ah, the VS-700 is not a stand-alone unit like earlier VS products from Roland.
    You need to hook it up to a separate PC (or possibly Mac, running Bootcamp).
    The PC would have Sonar 8PE installed, and some special software for talking to the VS-700 hardware.

    So, you can use any HDs you like, any CDR/DVDR you like, any external storage you like, any LCD monitor you like.... anything that works with Sonar, that is.

    You can add extra MIDI interfaces if you like too. .... heck, you could probably use an AlphaTrack with it, although it would be kind of pointless
    (Hmm.. Using a Tranzport with it might actually make sense....)

    As far as aftermarket plugs - same story as with Sonar. Since the VS-700 console seems to have a really nice ACT implementation, you should be able to control 3rd-party plugs quite well.

    Of course, the $4000 cost of the V-Studio 7000 does not include the cost of the PC, LCD monitor, etc. Still looks like a nice (and, hopefully, really well-integrated) package to me, assuming the hardware delivers high-quality audio.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 12:43:15 (permalink)
    Where can I order the Cakewalk underwear?

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 12:48:42 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: rchristiejr

    Remember that they are appealing to first time buyers as well. Those who are new to the daw world.

    If that's the case, I wished it included a computer with components and an operating system that were actually designed for (and set up for) music production.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 13:28:56 (permalink)
    Ah, the VS-700 is not a stand-alone unit like earlier VS products from Roland.



    Ah HA!
    So then that Fantom would take stress off the CPU if it's as nice as the softsynths.



    Basically it's a synth and control surface for 4 grand.

    I still want one.

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    post edited by Westside Steve - 2008/10/04 13:30:58
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 13:40:30 (permalink)
    I think its the audio I/O and the control surface and the synth, the whole package for 4K

    i am almost sure you can buy just the control surface if you alreay have say an RME FF 800 or something, at least i hope so

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 13:50:47 (permalink)
    Yep. I agree with many others. A control surface only version with more faders would be awesome.
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 14:17:12 (permalink)
    I still want one.

    Ya know?...
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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 14:38:15 (permalink)
    Not sure if you guys saw this yet, pretty cool video Brandon did showing what it can do:

    http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=7327

    Edit: Oops, look like this was posted elsewere... oh well.

    It is sorta tough if you don't read every single thread started in here to know what is going on.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 19:41:00 (permalink)
    yeah its a nice piece, having had a vs2480 i am pretty confident roland will make a solid box, i watched the video with brandon and laughed a little when he said something to the effect of "i can work much better with just 8 in this space than 16 or 24 faders" that tells me they discussed trying to make a c24 for sonar but then ditched the idea for some reason

    i think its a nice looking box, it seems to integrate well but 8 faders is crap, if its any more than 1800 it ain't worth it since the MCU pro is 1500 and does alot of what this does

    my M24 does a ton of what this does with 24 faders, the eq knobs etc etc, made like a tank and its 2800 so this to me needs to sit in the 1800 range tops

    i would think a full 24 faders and the rest staying the same at 4500 or so would clean up.

    the 2480 could be used as a control surface with 16 faders, tons of effects, pre amps, etc etc and its about 3K now (but it is old)

    i am not trying to knock the idea, i think its a good lokking box, the audio I/O i can do without and most others could to since we all have stuff now. but the control surface is a good step forward for the 2 companies

    i still use cubase and i have the N12 and they just DROPPED the price and all the yamaha digital mixers now work incredibly well with cubase but a full digital mixer is overkill for mos DAW situations

    i think yamaha will do an n24 with motorized faders and that will be game over on the cubase side.

    anyway i was initially excited, i give it a 6/10 and thats IMHO. if they end up with extenders that would be cool although they would look like crap fitting with this box with how its laid out

    everyone you see or talk to has been waiting for a native 24 track solution like the old tascam us2400 only better or e C24 in the native world, this misses it again


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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 20:12:19 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: trock8500

    yeah its a nice piece, having had a vs2480 i am pretty confident roland will make a solid box, i watched the video with brandon and laughed a little when he said something to the effect of "i can work much better with just 8 in this space than 16 or 24 faders" that tells me they discussed trying to make a c24 for sonar but then ditched the idea for some reason

    i think its a nice looking box, it seems to integrate well but 8 faders is crap, if its any more than 1800 it ain't worth it since the MCU pro is 1500 and does alot of what this does

    my M24 does a ton of what this does with 24 faders, the eq knobs etc etc, made like a tank and its 2800 so this to me needs to sit in the 1800 range tops

    i would think a full 24 faders and the rest staying the same at 4500 or so would clean up.

    the 2480 could be used as a control surface with 16 faders, tons of effects, pre amps, etc etc and its about 3K now (but it is old)

    i am not trying to knock the idea, i think its a good lokking box, the audio I/O i can do without and most others could to since we all have stuff now. but the control surface is a good step forward for the 2 companies

    i still use cubase and i have the N12 and they just DROPPED the price and all the yamaha digital mixers now work incredibly well with cubase but a full digital mixer is overkill for mos DAW situations

    i think yamaha will do an n24 with motorized faders and that will be game over on the cubase side.

    anyway i was initially excited, i give it a 6/10 and thats IMHO. if they end up with extenders that would be cool although they would look like crap fitting with this box with how its laid out

    everyone you see or talk to has been waiting for a native 24 track solution like the old tascam us2400 only better or e C24 in the native world, this misses it again




    It's cool and you're entitled to your opinion, but I still say I'd rather have 8 (actually 9) faders I can lock and easily arrange versus 16 or even 24 that I have to bank through and re-arrange tracks on screen to get them in the order I want. C24 can't lock tracks...V-Studio can. If I'm dealing with a 40-60 track project, 24 faders is STILL just a small subset of the actual track count. Include (sometimes) useless MIDI faders showing up etc and this exacerbates the problem and requires lots of banking and shuffling. I've used 24 channel surfaces and still had to bank around and re-arrange tracks, etc.

    I mean hey I dig big mixers and lots of faders as much as the next guy. Would I like 24 lockable, configurable faders? Sure, but I feel that in practice it would only be marginally better (for me anyway) and would definitely take up a lot more space. To some, this would be a good thing and I fully understand and accept that. My contention is that I wouldn't discount it simply because of the fader count.

    Bottom line is no product is gonna work for everyone and everyone has different things that work for their style and that turn their individual cranks. This is a good thing.

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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 20:21:07 (permalink)
    Hey Brandon

    Maybe i am coming off a little harsh. i was sort of looking for a reasong to come all the way back to sonar and had helpd out hope that roland and their VS series would have easily paved the way for a 24 track, yes locking like you say, solution

    listen bank jumping with only 8 faders is horrible when you have 40+ tracks like you say, i have had the MCU pro, then 2 xt's etc and when i had the MCU i hated how it worked with alot of tracks, bank jumping ALL the time, losing track of where you where, its a nightmare. this will nto be a whole lot different even with track locking (nice feature by the way)

    i truly dig roland boards and i truly like sonar (7 PE here) and i think this board is a really nice start. if you do come out with extenders i would be tempted, 2 xt's with 8 tracks each and the mute, select, solo, pan and screen would work for me, although i don't thin you can do that can you since there is no way to plug them into this box and i guarantee you that you don't want 3 USB deviecs with everything else people have USB, its going to create irq conflicts etc

    but anyway, lets put it this way, watching your full video, ASIDE from the lack of faders its a kick ass box.

    but you will never convince me that bank jumpin with 8 faders on large projects is better than bank jumping with 24 faders


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    RE: Price of V-Studio 700 2008/10/04 20:23:05 (permalink)
    I think we need to make a 24 to 48 lockable fader official request.. There's allot of us that want it in here. Space is relative to everyone's work space.
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    edit. changing banks is a hasle from 1 to 8 from 8-16 and so on. It would be better just to have all 24 to 36 faders, instead of changing the groups and then trying to figure out what track controls what by looking in the meter field
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