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2017/02/28 07:59:53 (permalink)

Printers - Laser or Inkjet?

I am moving to a new music school, and will be having to print far more of my students' teaching material at home.  To this end I am in the market for a new printer (all in one copier, printer, scanner).
 
I guess my main concern is economical printing.  I always had the impression that I should get a laser for this.  When I spoke to someone in a shop the other day, they suggested that Inkjets are now rivaling lasers for cheap copies.  She suggested a HP OfficeJet Pro 8728.
 
Ant thoughts? I am at a loss to know what to do.  I don't rally want to spend more than £200.
 
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 08:50:24 (permalink)
Laser is faster and the ink doesn't smear in them. I got a cheap HP 1217 six years ago that prints the first page in under 8 seconds and pumps them out.

The color inkjet at work is also HP but chews through ink cartridges quick. It is slow, and that ink will smear if ever gotten wet.

The laser cartridges can also be gotten cheaply from companies that refill them (20% what HP charges).

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 09:08:20 (permalink)
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 09:31:50 (permalink)
For B&W printing a Laser is best.  We had HP laser jets in our network and they required periodic maintenance "kits" that were pricey.  Don't know if newer ones have the same maintenance requirements.
 
I have an HP OfficeJet Pro 8620.  It prints relatively fast and has relatively large capacity ink cartridges (but are pricey as I don't use after market ink cartridges).  I do a lot of CD production and jewel case printing so my latest replacement was an "office" machine rather than a "home/consumer" model. 

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 09:40:39 (permalink)
Food for thought - prices are in dollars but gives you an idea of what's out there, comparable features, etc
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 22:18:37 (permalink)
Laser all the way.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 22:52:04 (permalink)
Definitely go laser.  I've stuck to Brother brand lasers for over 14 years and have been very satisfied.  HP is probably the best- known and selling brand, but of course, is more expensive.
 
If you print a lot, do yourself a favor and buy OEM toner cartridges (and drums, when that eventually goes), from a reputable company.  You'll save a ton of money (For example, a Brother brand toner cartridge for my printer runs $45. An OEM two-pack goes for $25). Needless to say, it's a significant savings over the life of the printer.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/02/28 23:29:47 (permalink)
Laser and OEM cartridges.
 
Perhaps http://store.hp.com/us/en...pid=pr_oos_na_1_170228
 
FYI, the Officejet is an inkjet printer.
 

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 01:04:01 (permalink)
Laser for b&w. Way quieter, faster and economical.
 
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 01:33:55 (permalink)
Thank you everyone for your much needed advice.
 
I had settled on the idea of getting a Mono Laser for B&W, and keeping my old HP inkjet for colour.
 
I (my wife) had then decided to simplify things a little (and save space) by having only one printer, and so I was looking to buy a colour laser.  The Brother DCP9015CDW (Catchy name, huh?) seemed a suitable candidate.
 
This lady in the shop just threw me a little.  The figures, etc., that she produced (and I have checked them out a little, but only via t'interweb) did seem to suggest that newer Inkjets like the HP would actually work out cheaper to run than a laser, hence my quandary.
 
You read one article that states that lasers are far cheaper to run, but then read another that says modern inkjets are now outperforming them..
 
Ho hum..
The general consensus seems to tie in with my original plan, though, so thank you.
 
Oh, @ DrLumen - Thanks, yes, I know that the Officejet is an inkjet printer, that's why the "Pro Inkjet Lady" was recommending it, I guess.
 
Thanks again everyone, I guess that I should just revert to my original plan.
 

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 03:56:11 (permalink)
I recently got a HP multi-function b&w laserjet with wireless connectivity.  It is nice to be able to locate the printer anywhere instead of a USB cable length from the CPU.  Also, any device can print to it now.  It even has wifi direct so that phones and tablets can print as well.
 
I have an old faithful HP Color Deskjet that has held up well for 15+ years, but the price of new ink cartridges is ridiculous.  This new printer was only about $50 more than another set of ink cartridges.
 
If you shop around this can be had for as low as $147.99 USD ...
 
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 04:45:39 (permalink)
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HP LaserJet Pro MFP M130fw
http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-mfp-m130fw

 
+1
 
The multi-function models are great -- I have a similar unit to the one above, only by Brother. It's real handy having an all-in-one scanner and copier, and has saved me countless trips to the office supply store just to run off a couple of copies or scan something.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 06:20:14 (permalink)
I use a very very old HP 1100 laserjet thats easily 12+ years old.. it don't even have USB , but you can get a thing of ebay to make it into a usb port.
 
toners for it seem to last forever and are easy enough to get refilled..
 
noticed you used the £ sign.. I gave a few laser printers away years ago on freecycle.. as people in offices used to chuck em, and if you took em apart got rid of the paper jam..most of em were fine
 
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 06:45:43 (permalink)
I have an old HP 2600 all in one inkjet.
While it worked fine, if I can avoid it, I'll never buy another HP inkjet printer.
If one of the cartridges (black / color) is perceived to be out of ink it won't print, scan or fax.
Ink runs at $60 a cartridge and once a cartridge is empty the printer stores* it's ID so if you have it refilled the printer won't recognize it as usable. *I've read it stores the last 3 working ID's for each cartridge.
I don't know if the newer models behave this way but at this point I don't care.
 
If you've got kids or have to print stuff for work it's easy to burn through cartridges and end up spend $800+ a year in ink supplies. I'm debating on either going laser or with an Epson Ink Tank...

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 06:52:45 (permalink)
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I use a very very old HP 1100 laserjet thats easily 12+ years old.. it don't even have USB , but you can get a thing of ebay to make it into a usb port.
 
toners for it seem to last forever and are easy enough to get refilled..
 
noticed you used the £ sign.. I gave a few laser printers away years ago on freecycle.. as people in offices used to chuck em, and if you took em apart got rid of the paper jam..most of em were fine
 




Those HP 1100's were/are workhorses. A guy I worked for got it new and still uses it. He's had it serviced a couple times but it's still chuggin.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 09:19:32 (permalink)
When it comes to comparing colour laser with colour inkjet I say that the inkjet are cheaper to run and buy.

It all depends if you can afford the space that 2 printers take.

Monochrome printing = laser is more economical

Colour printing = inkjet is mor economical

If you can only have one machine. Your budget should determine the outcome. Inkjet is cheaper.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 15:24:16 (permalink)
Some newer HP inkjets will accept non new HP cartridges.  It will give you a "warning" that its not an HP cartridge but that's all.  I've tried non OEM cartridges (several brands) on a different printer, not my current one, and they were less expensive but they had less ink and some worked OK and some didn't. I bought some "refilled" cartridges one time and two of them leaked ink internally in the printer and was a mess.  I now avoid all the hassles or potential hassles and just bite the bullet and buy OEM.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/03/01 15:35:21 (permalink)
Another downside to inkjet is when you use them infrequently.  The cartridges can dry up between uses.  This makes the cost per copy a bit on the high side, due to cartridge replacement costs.
 
I have been moving to a paperless lifestyle these past few years, mostly printing to PDF, except where I absolutely need a hard copy.
 
This influenced my decision overall to move to b&w laser printing.  If I need color, I'll just put a PDF on a thumb drive and visit the local copy shop.  Still cheaper

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/05 08:44:26 (permalink)
I suggest you to go and check the hp inkjet and later printer in bestbuy.com. normally you have to spent minimum 300 to 400 for a good laser color printer. I think hp officejet pro 6968 wireless color and all in one printer is the best choice. Also it comes under 150 dollars.
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/05 09:06:24 (permalink)
Thank you everybody for your input.
 
I ended up buying an HP Officejet Pro 8728.  
 
It appears that modern inkjets can run even more cheaply than lasers, and I am very pleased with it.
 
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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/05 13:52:49 (permalink)
I bought an HP Laserjet 6L in 1997. I'm still using it now.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/05 17:23:03 (permalink)
Be aware that Brother lasers (and likely other brands) sometimes "helpfully" report that you're low or out of toner - sometimes to the point of requiring intervention to print - when they really still have like 20% left.
 
You can do a search online to learn if it occurs and how to address it for a given printer, and also how to know when you really are out of toner.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/06 15:23:36 (permalink)
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Be aware that Brother lasers (and likely other brands) sometimes "helpfully" report that you're low or out of toner - sometimes to the point of requiring intervention to print - when they really still have like 20% left.



That's from the bundled printer management utility, which I've never installed with any of the 3 Brother lasers I've owned in the last 15 yrs. 
 
The only way I know toner is low is when it starts fading on the printed page.  Then I remove the cartridge, shake it back and forth (To evenly distribute the toner inside) and I get another couple months.  Rinse and repeat until the cartridge is empty.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/06 15:56:39 (permalink)
I'm also looking for a monochrome all in one laser jet printer for our home school.
 
Any suggestions for an economical/dependable/low cost ink replacement printer? 
 
 

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/06 17:16:35 (permalink)
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Be aware that Brother lasers (and likely other brands) sometimes "helpfully" report that you're low or out of toner - sometimes to the point of requiring intervention to print - when they really still have like 20% left.



That's from the bundled printer management utility, which I've never installed with any of the 3 Brother lasers I've owned in the last 15 yrs. 
 
The only way I know toner is low is when it starts fading on the printed page.  Then I remove the cartridge, shake it back and forth (To evenly distribute the toner inside) and I get another couple months.  Rinse and repeat until the cartridge is empty.




On ours it's built into the printer itself. 

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/06 17:30:37 (permalink)
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I'm also looking for a monochrome all in one laser jet printer for our home school.
 
Any suggestions for an economical/dependable/low cost ink replacement printer? 
 



Just got this one a few months ago to replace an aging HP Deskjet.  So far, so good.  Love the wireless printing.
http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-mfp-m130fw?jumpid=Printers_Finder_PDP
 
It's running $167.99 on Amazon Prime right now, a bit less than list price.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LBWELFK

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/06 19:04:33 (permalink)
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I'm also looking for a monochrome all in one laser jet printer for our home school.
 
Any suggestions for an economical/dependable/low cost ink replacement printer? 
 



Just got this one a few months ago to replace an aging HP Deskjet.  So far, so good.  Love the wireless printing.
http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-mfp-m130fw?jumpid=Printers_Finder_PDP
 
It's running $167.99 on Amazon Prime right now, a bit less than list price.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LBWELFK


How does it fare in toner replacement? (that's been my Achilles heel using inkjet printers) 

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/06 20:07:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/06/06 20:23:10
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I'm also looking for a monochrome all in one laser jet printer for our home school.
 
Any suggestions for an economical/dependable/low cost ink replacement printer? 
 



Just got this one a few months ago to replace an aging HP Deskjet.  So far, so good.  Love the wireless printing.
http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-mfp-m130fw?jumpid=Printers_Finder_PDP
 
It's running $167.99 on Amazon Prime right now, a bit less than list price.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LBWELFK


How does it fare in toner replacement? (that's been my Achilles heel using inkjet printers) 


 
Haven't had to go there yet.  Only printed about 50 pages in the last 4 months.  The starter toner should last me a good while. 
 
If it's anything like the HP Laserjets we used at the office, just shake the cartridge a bit if you see any streaks in the print quality, and get some more out of it.
 
My biggest issue with ink cartridges was due to my low volume print habits.  They would frequently dry up between uses. 
 
At least the toner will be there when I need it!  The standard HP 17A OEM replacement cartridge is rated at ~ 1600 pages.  $56.49 at Amazon Prime.
 
And the imaging drum should last about 12,000 pages.  HP 19A is the replacement, and costs about the same as toner.

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Re: Printers - Laser or Inkjet? 2017/06/07 01:48:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/06/07 12:49:44
The HP MFP models are nice (not sure what is currently out there), but HP also makes a killing on cartridges, so do not buy from them. As Drew mentioned, they have a chip on them that is intentionally burnt out at the "low toner" mark, which can be bypassed, but is a PITA should you decide to refill yourself (I would not recommend this anyway). Refillers replace that chip when they refill toner.
 
If you search for a HP cartridge, find its official name and then google it... many vendors sell refilled "X model replacements" for roughly 20% of what HP charges. I think I got mine from Cartridge America. Before buying something research the model, and the replacement cartridge costs from such a vendor.
 
I have had a Laserjet M1217nfw MFP for 6 years, and spent a couple cartridges thus far on probably 15 reams of paper (just installed the third cartridge). HP has carried the "industry standard" in printers for a long time now, so that brand is best to look at first (just don't sign up for all the hype). Inkjets can also not "just sit" since the ink dries out even if not used (or used to), which is a terrible waste of money.
 
The feature I appreciate most with it is that it prints the first page in about 5 seconds, and is like 20 pages per minute after that. I thought the glow rod would go on it because of that feature, but it is still kicking. The flatbed capability came through in an unthought of way for me last year... I scanned chunks of full sized (18" x 24") blue prints I could not replace and pieced them together in Photoshop and worked like a charm. Can print from a cell to it, yada, yada, so is pretty feature rich for the low cost/longevity of it.

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