LpMike75
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Pro Channel Bug
Nothing new here, just saying X1C did not fix the PC bug where it looks like it is on...but it does not respond to adjustments (visually it does, but not audibly). The EQ seems to be the most buggy. X1C is very stable for me unlike its first version, but this danged EQ. I generally use my TRacks plug ins for compression and Sonitus EQ for my EQ needs because one day the PC EQ works, the next day it doesnt. It's all a giant mystery to me. (And to the Cake Bakers too apparently)
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Tom Riggs
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 01:24:17
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Please file a trouble report. Look at the contact Cakewalk directly sticky at the top of the forum. the more reports that get filed and better the odds it will get fixed. Oh and you can usually load a preset to get the PC going again and then just adjust the settings manually to taste. If they ask you to contact support please do. The more we can keep this in front of the developers the better.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 02:51:56
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I have had the 76 compressor behave like this a couple times. Loading a preset tends to make the knobs work again it but that's not exactly a solution. I haven't had this happen for a while though.. It seems to be one of those dreaded intermittent issues that no one can seem to reliably produce. I can't seem to find the thread(s) but I believe someone from Cakewalk said that this was an installation related issue and that if you contact their tech support they will likely be able to help you. (I'll keep looking for the thread) That's all I know. The thing that is strange to me is that if there is a solution for this, why is no one talking about it?
post edited by audiyo - 2011/09/09 02:54:51
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 07:46:42
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Tom Riggs Please file a trouble report. Look at the contact Cakewalk directly sticky at the top of the forum. the more reports that get filed and better the odds it will get fixed. Oh and you can usually load a preset to get the PC going again and then just adjust the settings manually to taste. If they ask you to contact support please do. The more we can keep this in front of the developers the better. Unfortunately once you kick PC in the butt to get it going the problem does not return. If a problem cannot be replicated filing a trouble report won't make any difference. Loading a preset might be a solution to get it going, but not when PC is already set and simply won't wake up. There go your settings (unless you save every tweak as a preset). I sincerely hope that a recipe can be found and repeated for this problem so the bakers have something to work with. This seems to have a lot of people scratching there head. I have encountered a few issues with PC not waking up, and had to give up on it. I need reliability when it comes to EQ/Comp so I am back to using plugins. audiyo The thing that is strange to me is that if there is a solution for this, why is no one talking about it? There are a few different problems with Pro Channel. There is a solution for when it never wakes up, and there is/was a solution regarding an envelope bug. There is no solution for when you turn Sonar on one morning, load a song, and find the Pro Channel is still in bed! It is intermittent, and seemingly rare with no known recipe. Without a recipe, it's impossible to fix.
post edited by codamedia - 2011/09/09 07:53:20
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Tom Riggs
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 09:11:55
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I can make the problem return at will on my system. Start by booting computer and creating a new project using the normal template. Import some audio on track 1 and start playback and click the on button on the PC Eq then tweek some settings and make sure you can hear it changing. Then turn off the eq and do the same thing for the compressor on track one. Turn it on and change settings to make sure it is working. Do the same steps with PC on the main bus. Make sure all the PC is turned off and save and close the project without closing X1. Then create another new project using the same normal template. Import some audio and enable the eq on track 1. Change some settings and see if PC is working. On my computer it will fail every time and I can create as many new projects as I want and PC will fail on each. However if I close X1 and then try again PC will not fail when trying to duplicate my previous steps. It is important that the computer is freshly booted and X1 is only loaded once. Then these steps will cause PC to look like its on except the activity light next to the on/off button will be dead and PC will not change the audio. Try this and let me know if you can duplicate my results.
post edited by Tom Riggs - 2011/09/09 09:17:17
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codamedia
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 10:41:05
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Nice recipe! I tried if exactly as you stated (included a fresh reboot to start things off) but could not replicate it. The PC worked every time I tried. That's why this is so frustrating. It's very difficult to reproduce. All I know is "out of the blue" I'll open a song that already has Pro Channel all over the place, and PC fails to function. Rare? Yes, but it does happen.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 10:54:48
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I been using the Pc in X1c and I haven't seen any weird behavior , Although this thread makes me nervous , as If some of you guys are experience this bug, I guess I will not use the PC any more as I don't wanna run into modules not working correct.. :( sad I am Caus I wanna just use the PC ...
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 11:33:58
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Cakewalk will do nothing about this unless you submit a bug report with explicit details and upload your project file to them so they can look at it. I've been round and round about the Pro Channel bugs and they won't do anything about it unless you submit a bug report. Problem Reporter
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LpMike75
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 13:19:16
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Thank you Bub and Tom I aware of how to submit a ticket and a problem to Cakewalk. As Codamedia points out it is difficult to reproduce and seemingly happens at random. Unfortunately I do not have much info to report to them, besides "it happens at random and fairly often." I am sure there is something that triggers the inactive PC but I have not narrowed it down. Tom's recipe of importing audio tracks into the project is interesting, I will cook up his recipe later and see how my pie turns out.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 13:49:16
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LpMike75 I am sure there is something that triggers the inactive PC but I have not narrowed it down. Tom's recipe of importing audio tracks into the project is interesting, I will cook up his recipe later and see how my pie turns out. IIRC ... the last I heard was, the Pro Channel anomalies were caused by having envelopes on the track or bus you are seeing the PC malfunction on, but that was supposed to be fixed in the X1c patch. As for not being able to recreate the problem ... don't worry about that. If they get enough people saying, "Yeah, we see this exact problem.", then I would think they would start looking a little more seriously and maybe dig a little deeper.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/09 14:42:29
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codamediaNice recipe! I tried if exactly as you stated (included a fresh reboot to start things off) but could not replicate it. The PC worked every time I tried. I could not replicate a problem with this recipe, either.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/10 08:47:24
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I did some more testing and have some interesting info to report. I have a theory that the PC failure has to do with the internal enumeration of devices/tracks/buses in X1. Since you guys could not confirm my results I tried again. this time I disabled all but 2 of the 36 in/out devices on my RME card in X1 preferences. Then I rebooted and tried my recipe for PC failure and PC did not fail. Then I enabled all the devices again, rebooted and tested again. This time PC did fail. If any of you have a sound card with a large number of inputs you might try testing my recipe with varying number of devices enabled. If someone else can duplicate this with me we might get the dev team the information they need to fix it once and for all.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/10 09:02:51
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The people who have thos intermittent problem the most have been asked to follow their "recipe" for creating the problem with SONAR's Auto-save set to oin and off and report if any difference. Apparently cakewalk acknoledge a problem with PC if AutoSave is set to on. Please try and report findings to Cakewlak via Problem Reporter. I have same problem but not connected with Auto Save on or off. My solution is don't use PC.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/10 10:43:15
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I did some more testing and have some interesting info to report. I have a theory that the PC failure has to do with the internal enumeration of devices/tracks/buses in X1. Since you guys could not confirm my results I tried again. this time I disabled all the 2 of the 36 in/out devices on my RME card in X1 preferences. Then I rebooted and tried my recipe for PC failure and it did not fail. Then I enabled all the devices again, rebooted and tested again. This time PC did fail. If any of you have a sound card with a large number of inputs you might try testing my recipe with varying number of devices enabled. If someone else can duplicate this with me we might get the dev team the information they need to fix it once and for all.
post edited by Tom Riggs - 2011/09/10 11:50:40
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/10 12:35:11
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mudgel Apparently cakewalk acknoledge a problem with PC if AutoSave is set to on. I've heard of Auto-Save causing the Tool Bar to lose all of it's buttons and turn gray, but never that it caused a problem with the Pro Channel. If that's right I hope they get that fixed asap. I haven't used Auto-Save because of the Tool Bar problem and I've lost quite a bit of work because of it. I know I know, save manually, but I keep forgetting. One thing I'm seeing in some projects that I never saw before ... some buses will be solo'd when I open a project, but you can still hear all the other buses, plus the EQ in the Pro Channel will be turned on also. But I'm only seeing it in certain projects, not every one.
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Re:Pro Channel Bug
2011/09/10 12:44:09
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If any of you have a sound card with a large number of inputs you might try testing my recipe with varying number of devices enabled. I have approx. a dozen each I/O channels enabled, and did not see a problem. I'll try it with more when I get a chance. Incidentally, do you have "Always Open All Devices" enabled in Preferences > Audio ? Playback and Recording? I do not.
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