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2015/05/13 07:50:20 (permalink)

Pro Channel Organisation and Options

I bought 2 new ProChannels today and it's triggered some questions.
 
How are they ordered in the selection box? The list of prochannls available to add seems mixed up.  The reverbs are far from each other, yet both made by Overloud, Boz +10 eq and compressors are next to each other, yet Bark is (which is an eq) is not near them. The saturation types are close (Soft Tube, Tube and Tape) but seperate from console emulations, PC4K and 76 are next to each other, yet CA2A is way above (I'm waiting on a redemption code, so no idea where Concrete will end up?). The latest addition are not at the top or bottom, not sorted by type or manufacturer. Seems unintuitive.
 
I can't see a way to re-sort these, is that right?
 
Also why is a buss compressor available in the channel strip. Is it just because some people would make use of it and it has a different flavour than it channel compressor sister, so it's in our favur to have both available?
 
I'm hooked on them though, when I read on other forums users of other DAWs whinging about why would anyone want them over normal VST, I'm grinning to myself that they are missing out is the slickness of it all, and they are missing out
 
 EDIT: Original post seemed like I was referring to chosen PCs not the choice of PC's to choose from.
 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:01:05 (permalink)
If I understand your question correctly, you can choose where you put each PC module in the top to bottom order.  just right click on the top of the module which is already inserted (the EQ cannot be removed, so there is always at least one module in the channel strip) and then choose the module you want to place above that module.  if you want to reorder them, just drag them.  if you want to replace one or remove one, that's in the menu that pops up.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:02:09 (permalink)
Just occurred to me, 'is everybody's in the same order?'


 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:05:35 (permalink)
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Also why is a buss compressor available in the channel strip. Is it just because some people would make use of it and it has a different flavour than it channel compressor sister, so it's in our favur to have both available?
 



Yeah, I use that compressor on channels sometimes.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:05:51 (permalink)
Sorry Beagle, but I think my above picture explains better, when you are selecting a Prochannel, the list to pick from. (will edit)

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:09:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Keni 2015/05/13 16:33:21
They're in alphabetical order.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:10:25 (permalink)
Actually now I've posted I can see all but the FX Chain are in Alphabetical order. I was looking from the bottom up and couldn't see the reasoning before.
 
Crappy order to have them really.

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:20:12 (permalink)
Yes you cannot custom order your list. I think fixing this is on the works already.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:23:23 (permalink)

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:29:12 (permalink)
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Also why is a buss compressor available in the channel strip. Is it just because some people would make use of it and it has a different flavour than it channel compressor sister, so it's in our favur to have both available?
 



Yeah, I use that compressor on channels sometimes.


Do you have both the PC4K modules, if so, what makes you lean towards one and not the other. I haven't got the PC4K module, but it's on offer at the moment. Picked up CA2A and Concrete, and umm'd and ahh'd and read threads on it, but decided to hold off. Seeing how clustered my list is and Concrete still to show, I'm still not persuaded

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:38:52 (permalink)
I've got the S-type channel compressor, yes. I have to say, I've not used it for quite a while. There's nothing wrong with it, though. Indeed, it's pretty good for vocals, from memory. I must give it another whirl some time.
 
As for "choosing one thing over another", it's not really like that. I don't think X is better than Y or anything. Totally depends on the material. The vast majority of compression in my mixes is just the U-Type channel compressor and the CA-2A. Other compressors will come in if required.
 
I like using the bus compressor or channels if I want to get something deliberately squashed and pumping. I suppose more like a special effect than a compressor.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:40:36 (permalink)
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Sorry Beagle, but I think my above picture explains better, when you are selecting a Prochannel, the list to pick from. (will edit)


Yes, sorry, I did not understand that you meant when selecting from the menu.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:46:08 (permalink)
No apologies, my initial post wasn't clear, I edited to make so.
 
You keep changing from Picard to a Beagle everytime I look at this thread it seems

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:49:06 (permalink)
Cheers John, I think I hold off the Channel version, I'm sure it will come back on offer, and I've got enough to focus on now with my latest additions.
 
Seems the CA2a is great for vocals, which I don't do, but may suit my wind instruments well. And to be honest my playing could do with some levelling

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 08:59:50 (permalink)
I find the CA-2A is ideal for anything that's kind of flowing and not transient-heavy. So great for vocals, wind instruments, and certain kinds of rounded bass sounds.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 09:19:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2015/05/14 06:52:18
the icons used in the Pro Channel menu are nice but make the list of names so long that without some sort of organisation it's become unwieldy. Seeing as the Pro Channel plugins are VSTs with a modified front end and scanned by the VST scanner why not have a module within the plugin manager that allows us to create user defined layouts.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 09:40:00 (permalink)
Text option (no icons) much needed...
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 10:22:46 (permalink)
To be fair, I can see that if there had never been any icons, someone posting a feature request for icons, and a bunch of us going, 'yes, that's a great idea'
 
Maybe a hide icons option.

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 11:09:51 (permalink)
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To be fair, I can see that if there had never been any icons, someone posting a feature request for icons, and a bunch of us going, 'yes, that's a great idea'
 
Maybe a hide icons option.


I would like that myself!
 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 14:16:36 (permalink)
I'm not comple
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the icons used in the Pro Channel menu are nice but make the list of names so long that without some sort of organisation it's become unwieldy. Seeing as the Pro Channel plugins are VSTs with a modified front end and scanned by the VST scanner why not have a module within the plugin manager that allows us to create user defined layouts.

I'm not against this approach as any solution is better than none. My personal preference would be to to deal with the list from ProChannel View, so when you are selecting from the list and it turns blue, you hold CTRL, it turns say orang or white, and you can drag it up down the list. Meaning items you don't use very often could be moved to the top of the this. If you have more itens than a screen can hold, these items would be off screen most of the time. to access it would scroll over when you got to the top edge of the last in view. Clicking CTRL when on an icon could toggle between showing icons and hiding, meaning long list would instantly become compact for  veiwing the whole list without having to scroll the top edge.
This may be shortsighted though, when in say three years time when a few more third parties are on board, the list becomes really long, but maybe a new approach could be taken when that time comes.

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 15:01:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/05/15 11:14:29
Or make the list without icons that show when you mouseover the menu...
 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 19:29:27 (permalink)
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[...] Alphabetical order. [...]
 
Crappy order to have them really.


I have been complaining about this with phone books and encyclopedias for years, but no one will change it! :(

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/13 19:31:21 (permalink)
And to add to this feature request - Add 'em in preferences.
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/14 05:54:10 (permalink)
The reason I suggested the PluginManger was because it already exists, GUI is there and perhaps it wouldn't be too much work for a ProChannel list to be shown on the left as we now have VST, VST3, VSTI etc.

Then just a matter of a default layout with a user editable option the same as all the other plugins. That would at least save someone the work of a special dialog and GUI for the ProChannel. As per the current PC layout you would b able to order them the way you like even creating folders as we can now.

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/14 10:30:34 (permalink)
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[...] Alphabetical order. [...]
 
Crappy order to have them really.


I have been complaining about this with phone books and encyclopedias for years, but no one will change it! :(

Damn those yellow pages, keeps listing businesses together by type!

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/15 08:45:00 (permalink)
I knew this before I downloaded, but just added 8 VKFX and being V is the 4 letter from the end of the alphabet, these are all at the bottom of the list and most accessible.
 
I'm wondering if the was a more manual way of getting around this. Could I rename the PCs in windows explorer, maybe adding numbers to the begging of their names, so the become numerically ordered. So compressors/limiters could be 10 (at the bottom of the list) with EQ and high pass filters as 9 above them, 8 for saturation/distortions FX etx?
 

 
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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/15 11:15:43 (permalink)
I just realized I missed Dan's post by being cute... Some users have this list scroll off the screen, so Dan's suggestion of removing the icons (or even making them smaller) would be highly beneficial (with mouse over). IMO, on the name itself is fine by itself since many descriptions are verbatim... those two would collapse the list a great deal (as is).
 
 

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Re: Pro Channel Organisation and Options 2015/05/15 22:48:32 (permalink)
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The reason I suggested the PluginManger was because it already exists, GUI is there and perhaps it wouldn't be too much work for a ProChannel list to be shown on the left as we now have VST, VST3, VSTI etc.

Then just a matter of a default layout with a user editable option the same as all the other plugins. That would at least save someone the work of a special dialog and GUI for the ProChannel. As per the current PC layout you would b able to order them the way you like even creating folders as we can now.



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