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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 02:38:15
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For tracking and mixing I prefer Protools. The B3 is the schniizzle but also the piano and the synths are killer as well.
The audio tools, EQ, dynamics etc are overall very smooth sounding in PT. In many cases there is no counterpart in Sonar and similar VSTs are coarse sounding by comparison.
For midi tracks, PT is a major pain. Drag and drop for building midi is so inaccurate. VSTs require a wrapper. No x64 for handling numerous VIs. Sonar takes the lead for this. Tweaking/Tuning the environment in PT is archaic as well. Setting the processor load, etc., you can tweak the environment quicker in Sonar. x64 in PT, come on Avid.
I have been moving back and forth between both programs using the best of each. There are pros and cons for each one.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 02:45:55
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At least in Pro Tools you can specify how many of your cores you wish to use. Many people have found that they get better results by setting this to half the number of cores they have. I would like to experiment with core usage like that in Sonar. Of course in Pro Tools, any optimization I was able to accomplish in the core-tweaking department was offset by the fact that it's only 32 lousy bits.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 03:32:07
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At least in Pro Tools you can specify how many of your cores you wish to use. Many people have found that they get better results by setting this to half the number of cores they have. I would like to experiment with core usage like that in Sonar. Of course in Pro Tools, any optimization I was able to accomplish in the core-tweaking department was offset by the fact that it's only 32 lousy bits.
You can do this in windows. With Sonar running, you will want to run Task Manager (start menu->taskmgr). On the applications tab locate Sonar (or whatever other program you would like to change) and right click. From the popup choose "Set Affinity". From there you can choose which CPU/cores the program should be able to use. These settings will be active until you close Sonar. There use to be an Affinity program that you could use to make these types of changes permanent. I'm sure if you do a quick google of 'Set Affinity' you'll find out all you ever wanted to know and more regarding this. These instructions are for WinVista & Win7. Not really using Win8 yet, but I'm sure google can help with that as well.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 03:43:13
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ive been working with pro tools 10 hdx, i think its pretty solid, not here to advocate other daw's but hell im down with anything that lets me be creative
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 04:20:51
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"The audio tools, EQ, dynamics etc are overall very smooth sounding in PT. In many cases there is no counterpart in Sonar and similar VSTs are coarse sounding by comparison."
This is really surprising to hear!! Most other rooms we work with that have both Sonar and PT say just the opposite. Of the stock plugin set that comes with PT, only the new Channel Strip can compete with most modern day emulations for quality sound and the Bomb factory 1176 emulation is really dated now. The air stuff is decent and serviceable. The bizarro backwards behavior of the Channel Strip's gate and Comp section are truly baffling however.
Sonar's plug set is heads and shoulders above by comparison and the Pro Channel FX are outstanding, especially the Soft Tube, Vocal Strip, and Mix Bus comps. Even if you just spring for the CA-2A and the Concrete Limiter, you basicly have the bulk of our UAD-1 library at 'HALF' the CPU hit and latency.
I love PT for tracking but for mixing and especially bussing, sonar kills it for workflow and sound quality. YMMV
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 11:11:59
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 22:23:38
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/01 22:34:24
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xabiton
Freddie H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#!
+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?
Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea
I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 01:07:38
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xabiton
Freddie H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#!
+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?
Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea
I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine.
I don't think anyone is buying Pro Tools for its audio engine at least I would hope not. Buy Pro Tools because it appeals to how you work not because of a spec sheet.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 01:11:45
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xabiton
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Freddie H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#!
+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?
Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea
I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine.
I don't think anyone is buying Pro Tools for its audio engine at least I would hope not. Buy Pro Tools because it appeals to how you work not because of a spec sheet.
Yes but at the very least they require stability. Some time ago I read a post in the Avid forum in which someone from Avid chimed in and said that the reason why 64-bit was taking so long was because they were having to rewrite the audio engine from scratch. So it's basically all new code. Bound to have a few problems at first.
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xabiton
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 01:15:40
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sharke
xabiton
sharke
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Freddie H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#!
+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?
Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea
I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine.
I don't think anyone is buying Pro Tools for its audio engine at least I would hope not. Buy Pro Tools because it appeals to how you work not because of a spec sheet.
Yes but at the very least they require stability. Some time ago I read a post in the Avid forum in which someone from Avid chimed in and said that the reason why 64-bit was taking so long was because they were having to rewrite the audio engine from scratch. So it's basically all new code. Bound to have a few problems at first.
Even software that has been around for a long time has stability problems even if it hasn't been rewritten. Hell let's look at Sonar X1 which still has issues and Cakewalk looked over it and moved on to X2 which introduced more problems. I use Ableton Live now and Live 8 has its issues and they are going to Live 9. Point is everything has bugs at first I wouldn't hold Avid to a standard higher than anyone here is holding Cakewalk and Sonar is known for being buggy but people still love it. I am pretty sure Pro Tools 10 has its issues too.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 13:06:51
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xabiton
Freddie H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#!
+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?
Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea
I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine.
Like the X1 owners after 8.5.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 14:37:23
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Avid might be a little more thorough with their Alpha testing though. I hate to say it but Cakewalk seems to really chince out on that end of things. A lot of chaos around here could have been avoided if they just had a couple of their in house guys go through the manual testing things out methodically and create a bug list for the programmers before release.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 14:49:28
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The lack of thorough testing in the computer world amazes me sometimes. I've read programming manuals where the freaking example code snippets had bugs in them.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 15:16:56
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@sharke... Yeah, it's pretty darned brutal. That seems to be the world we live in these days. No one takes pride in anything anymore. Throwaway society. I've worked in various professions in my life and always made sure my work was as quality as possible. Many times instead of getting praised by the bosses I'd get crapped all over. The customers loved me though. Shame I never got to branch out on my own. I would have mopped up. EDIT: Hyperbole removed.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 15:28:33
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Beepster, I was talking to a guy who designs and manufactures exterior materials for new construction in New York recently. He told me that the current standard of construction when building a condo in New York is that they don't expect it to last more than 10-15 years before major structural upgrades and repairs have to be done. I think the standard of everything is going downhill.
Here's another story. I still have, back home somewhere, one of the first Marantz CD players from the early 80's. It still works great and is built like a tank, except the tray sometimes gets stuck when opening (to be fair, it got sat on by an overweight persian cat). About 10 years ago, my stepdad bought a CD player for about £100. It sounded great and so I bought one a week later. About a year after he purchased it, the LED display went on my stepdad's. How unlucky, I thought. A week later, the same thing happened to mine as well. To this day I am convinced the devices had a timer in them which disabled the display after a certain time.
The point is, if these things worked great, we'd never buy a new one or upgrade them. Keeping a program like Sonar with a certain amount of bugs sustains the motive to upgrade because you live in hope that the next release will be "the one" that solves all of your problems. I'm not singling out Cakewalk here, I think they all do it.
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2013/03/02 15:47:43
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Ya, man. I've worked in both of those fields to an extent and it is all designed to fail. Never worked in software engineering but as an end user obviously the same principles apply. I blame the way they teach business these days. Between business and political philosophy (both of which have become more and more entwined) is why humans as a species cannot get past this crappy way we treat each other and reach a Utopian era (IMO). The hilarious/infuriating part is those that stand to gain the most convince those that stand to lose the most that this is the right path for mankind and allowing any other ideals to take hold will somehow destroy the world. The perfect scam.
But that's probably a little to philosophical for our little techie forum so I'll shut up about that.
On a more on topic note I just started the Groove3 Mixing 101 video series which uses Pro Tools... and oh me oh my... what an ugly looking piece of poop a doop that thing is.
I'm not usually one to put style before function but I'm certainly glad I don't have to deal with that mess. lol
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 16:20:53
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minus avid or digidesign hardware- i find tracking in PT to be unworkable. I would probably be a pro tools guy if tracking wasn't so screwy.
But then again, I'm a latency free- direct monitoring guy, and protools doesn't preserve that route (not even pt10!!) subsequently, I don't use it much. I absolutely do enjoy mixing in PT, however.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 16:52:37
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BlixYZ
minus avid or digidesign hardware- i find tracking in PT to be unworkable. I would probably be a pro tools guy if tracking wasn't so screwy.
But then again, I'm a latency free- direct monitoring guy, and protools doesn't preserve that route (not even pt10!!) subsequently, I don't use it much. I absolutely do enjoy mixing in PT, however.
idk what happaned but at some point people decided that more was always better rather than quality it became a conversation about quantity. I always thought it was interesting in school growing up they teach us its all about quality and to take our time and then when we get into the real world its all about getting as much done in as little time as possible even if the product is subpar because of it.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 17:07:45
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I think we've sacrificed quality for change.
For example, if Cakewalk announced that for 300$ we could either buy a bugfree version of X2 or buy X3, which would we choose ?
I think we've become slaves to change. We get bored too easily. We don't really want to do anything, we just want things done to us.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 18:19:15
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Paul P
I think we've sacrificed quality for change.
For example, if Cakewalk announced that for 300$ we could either buy a bugfree version of X2 or buy X3, which would we choose ?
I think we've become slaves to change. We get bored too easily. We don't really want to do anything, we just want things done to us.
I would have bought X2 if it was bug free and worked with all of my stuff properly out the box. It doesn't so I switched DAWs but I wouldn't mind going back because I miss mixing and I hate learning new shortcuts
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 18:21:35
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BlixYZ
minus avid or digidesign hardware- i find tracking in PT to be unworkable. I would probably be a pro tools guy if tracking wasn't so screwy.
But then again, I'm a latency free- direct monitoring guy, and protools doesn't preserve that route (not even pt10!!) subsequently, I don't use it much. I absolutely do enjoy mixing in PT, however.
You have to do this using a hardware split while tracking. It can be done. Cakewalk has the same issues. There is always latency unless you foldback to a headphone system then you have eliminated the problem. Regarding the bug situation, as companies mature accountants take over and entrepreneurs leave. The number crunchers just want the product out the door at a specific time. The Designers and quality control people are overruled based on acceptable risk. Look at Microsoft, same thing happening there.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 19:23:30
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I did some side buss Comp and Harmonix flavors in Pro Tools 10 ,,,, and the phasing problems were endless ........I did the same thing in Sonar X2 and it was smooth and natural . That right there sold me on Sonar. I use alot of side buss textures like I used to on my old console. I remember hearing reports of Pro Tools not doing a usable side Buss . That has kept a few old dogs to their hardware in the big league.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 19:43:51
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This not so crazy thread,has informed me,of a few things I was wondering about,when it comes to,a comparison of the wild 10K or so investment,of PT HDX,compared to Sonar X2 64bit,plus 3rd party VST effects.
It seems[ATM] I cho$e wisely after all.
I'm always intrigued,to hear the opinions of those,who own,and actually use both,especially,when the cost factor between them,is so extreme[intiallly,until one starts forking out for 3rd party interfaces,FX.]
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 19:50:32
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xabiton, I'm not at all sure what your response has to do with my comment. I'm not commenting on quantity or quality- I'm talking about functionality. Something that is easily done in Sonar which makes tracking with clients smooth and trouble free is problematic in PT unless you have digi003 or something similar.
Middleman, I have PT10 and Sonar and I use the Profire 2626 + octane. This interface, like many others, includes a software mixer that allows for hardware monitoring. ProTools doesn't properly support it- you can do it, but you can only hear the sources (the person in the booth/drum room) when you are actually recording! otherwise there is just silence. They can't hear themselves in the phones as they sing or play along up to a punch point and there can be no conversation between takes.
The alternative is to use software monitoring which necessarily introduces latency. I have been to the PT forums and I'm not the only one who finds it a dealbreaker.
I can use additional hardware (mixer) to work around this, but I shouldn't have to.
The profire software mixer allows for aux sends and multiple headphone mixes in addition to true hardware monitoring. Every DAW can utilize these capabilities except for PT.
This, along with lack of VST, lack of delay compensation, lack of off-line rendering- these are all legitimate beefs.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 20:01:49
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It always depends on the context and your needs.
If your host is the very core of your studio and/or you need it to run virtual instruments, work w/ loops, do extensive midi work and need a self-contained all-inclusive solution, Pro Tools probably isn't the best option.
For some people, the absolute best solution will be Ableton Live. For others, Mainstage on a laptop. For others it'll be Sonar or Cubase or Reaper...
For me, MIDI and sampling + creating sampler instruments is crucial - and nothing even comes close to Logic and EXS-24 in that department. I do own Pro Tools (native), and while I like mixing in PT, overall, it isn't the right app for me. Same for Cubase and Studio One.
Though Avid did try to get their share of that swiss-army knife market, Pro Tools just isn't the best tool for that, imho.
OTOH, it has its strengths - it has to. Which is why it's still in virtually every major league studio.
Even among the users of the same products, you'll have a tough time finding two people having the same workflow. I've used Cakewalk products for a decade and there are certain features which are crucial to other users which I've never even touched. Yet, users from every horizons and w/ every type of needs managed to bring project to completion in the same app.
There are some scenarios where a Fender twin is the absolute best option - who in their right mind would try to put it down simply because it doesn't offer 30 different amp models and effects like a Line 6 amp or a software amp sim? It always depends on the scenario...
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
2013/03/02 20:32:55
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Rain
It always depends on the context and your needs.
If your host is the very core of your studio and/or you need it to run virtual instruments, work w/ loops, do extensive midi work and need a self-contained all-inclusive solution, Pro Tools probably isn't the best option.
For some people, the absolute best solution will be Ableton Live. For others, Mainstage on a laptop. For others it'll be Sonar or Cubase or Reaper...
For me, MIDI and sampling + creating sampler instruments is crucial - and nothing even comes close to Logic and EXS-24 in that department. I do own Pro Tools (native), and while I like mixing in PT, overall, it isn't the right app for me. Same for Cubase and Studio One.
Though Avid did try to get their share of that swiss-army knife market, Pro Tools just isn't the best tool for that, imho.
OTOH, it has its strengths - it has to. Which is why it's still in virtually every major league studio.
Even among the users of the same products, you'll have a tough time finding two people having the same workflow. I've used Cakewalk products for a decade and there are certain features which are crucial to other users which I've never even touched. Yet, users from every horizons and w/ every type of needs managed to bring project to completion in the same app.
There are some scenarios where a Fender twin is the absolute best option - who in their right mind would try to put it down simply because it doesn't offer 30 different amp models and effects like a Line 6 amp or a software amp sim? It always depends on the scenario...
I've noticed,in the past Rain,youv'e expressed that,you use apple laptop's etc,do you run Sonar X1 or X2 at all?If so,are you using paralells or bootcamp to do so? Just wondering. Bob
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
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When X1 came out, I had plans to wait until X2 came out and maybe run it on Bootcamp, but it never happened. The original Sonar line was closer to what I had in mind than the X-series incarnation.
I've started re-building the few older projects I wanted to re-work directly in Logic and it just work better for me, w/ the sampler and all. I don't feel it'd be worth the hassle...
I'm using Zeta, Dimension Pro and Rapture quite a bit though.
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
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Ugggh my crazy browser didn't show your new post,till NOW,Thanks for answering Rain!
Cheers
Bob
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Re:Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]
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Middleman, I have PT10 and Sonar and I use the Profire 2626 + octane. This interface, like many others, includes a software mixer that allows for hardware monitoring. ProTools doesn't properly support it- you can do it, but you can only hear the sources (the person in the booth/drum room) when you are actually recording! otherwise there is just silence. They can't hear themselves in the phones as they sing or play along up to a punch point and there can be no conversation between takes.
The alternative is to use software monitoring which necessarily introduces latency. I have been to the PT forums and I'm not the only one who finds it a dealbreaker.
I can use additional hardware (mixer) to work around this, but I shouldn't have to.
The profire software mixer allows for aux sends and multiple headphone mixes in addition to true hardware monitoring. Every DAW can utilize these capabilities except for PT.
This, along with lack of VST, lack of delay compensation, lack of off-line rendering- these are all legitimate beefs.
The monitoring you are looking for comes with the upgrade kit, it's not in the base PT10 package. You could do it, but you would have to spend more. I agree with your complaint however, I think many are hoping PT11 provides that function without the cost. I monitor externally so that feature is not critical for my studio. Regarding VST, since I use Sonar for most of my midi work I generally still have VST capability, having that in PT is not critical. Also you can pick up a VST wrapper for Protools if you need that but the midi implimentation in PT is so bad, I have no interest in working on midi tracks in PT. For the most part though, most of the VST software I have also provides a PT version so I haven't lost any critical VSTs I might want. Delay compensation, PT 10 has delay compensation. The new Audiosuite plugins in PT have offline rendering by the way. If you have PT10, check those out.
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