Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D]

Where can I get a plugin that does that smooth overdrive sound ProTools has?

Well I hope this doesn't turn into another poop flinging festival. Things have been reasonably calm around here lately.

clintmartin


Don't underestimate a good poop fling.

Ha, now that's damn funny!

I was joking CJ :)

There were some things I liked about Pro Tools, it's interface is very good (and far less buggy than Sonar's) and it's editing and clip management functionality is great, and again is less problematic than Sonar's. But damn I just could not work with a VSTi heavy project without the thing choking on me all the time, and on a couple of occasions it just randomly decided to "corrupt" MIDI data in projects I was working on, making them unusable. I could not wait to ditch it and move into the 64-bitosphere. 

I have no issues with pro Tools either, but the older versions, in terms of work flow are a pain. I've used version 6 and found it beyond clunky. Version 9 was a much needed improvement. The hardest thing for me at first was to get used to the MAC way of doing things after years of nothing but Windows.

Turn into? The opening post is already nothing but just that. Why someone feels compelled to post a link to this ridiculous video on the X2 forum is completely beyond me. This thread should go into the trash bin asap.

Eh that's just Freddie for ya. 

What's more important here is your avatar. I used to love that little dude as a kid but totally forget what the name of the cartoon is. Help a Beepster out? I wanna see if there are any on youtube. 

;-)

Ahhh...yessss....I needed to have a brown out today...

Beepster

Turn into? The opening post is already nothing but just that. Why someone feels compelled to post a link to this ridiculous video on the X2 forum is completely beyond me. This thread should go into the trash bin asap.

Eh that's just Freddie for ya. 

What's more important here is your avatar. I used to love that little dude as a kid but totally forget what the name of the cartoon is. Help a Beepster out? I wanna see if there are any on youtube. 

;-)

There's lots and lots of them . Watching that guy is a much better waste of time than this thread. Plus he's got hillarious music going with his banter.
I think in the english world the cartoon was called "The Line", but you probably find more videos searching for "La Linea" (no need to look for english versions, as the guy's gibberish is understood fluently in the whole galaxy).  If you need a break from his brabbling and the backing tunes, but still want to watch the guy, watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWaUbcUXMLY

Well it says PT has floating point now anyways. But who cares. I mean just turn down where your clipping so not really a big deal either way. These kind of posts beg trollers to come reek havoc here. Which isn't to hard to get people started around here. 

frankandfree

WDI


Well it says PT has floating point now anyways. But who cares. I mean just turn down where your clipping so not really a big deal either way. These kind of posts beg trollers to come reek havoc here. Which isn't to hard to get people started around here. 

Yes. What makes the linked vid so hillarious is that the dude intenionally raises the track input gain to make the track go into the red, finds out (ooooh) that >0dB in PT actually (formerly) meant clipping and deduces that there is a flaw in the gain staging of the DAW, not in the "gain staging" he does there. Yeah, right...

YouTube expertise for the win.

I don't want to start an argument, but the vid guy does make a valid point.  If you send 3 tracks at -3db simultaneously into a single bus (in PT, there are no "busses" per say, they are aux tracks without input gain adjustment or input meters for that matter), it is possible that the bus input breaches 0db (ever so subtly) once they're summed and then dropping the output volume of the "buss" to bring the levels back to <0db doesn't resolve the clipping between the in and out (as neither does inserting a trim plug as the first insert in the buss).  I guess Nuendo handles this differently (as does Sonar I believe). 

Granted that the example is a bit over the top, but I think he was exaggerating the problem simply to illustrate that the clipping is there.   Is it a flaw in PT or in the person using PT is debatable, but it is a flaw just the same.
   

I've mentioned it before but my brother-in-law runs a commercial studio - he's still using Pro Tool TDM 5.x on a 10 years old Mac G4. 

The recordings I've heard coming out of that place are absolutely top notch, as good and often better than some commercial recordings. 

The thing is, Pro Tools is only one of the tools that he uses. He has great live room, an adequate collection of mics and preamps, quality outboard gear, a first class control room w/ high quality monitors.

All of that has a lot more influence on the end product than 32 bit floating point.

Pro Tools is only used to record, edit, process and mix.

More often than not, it's the little guys like myself and I guess many of us here who have to rely extensively on their DAW software and its features that will agonize over what otherwise might not even come into play. 

It also needs to be said that Pro Tools native is something entirely different.

PT's editing functionailty and smart tools are WAY better than Sonars......

As long as you know the shortcuts..... 

FWIW, this video illustrates a little of what I was talking about above regarding bussing and buss input levels.  Perhaps the person in the vid posted by the OP doesn't understand this (late in the video talking about master fader attached to submix buss).  Not necessarily a problem with ProTools, but a concept to be aware of to help keep an eye on and prevent buss input clipping.

Using PT 10, Sonar X1-2, and Nuendo here at work so I have to say, I hate these kind of videos that provide comparisons based on very misleading context. All DAWS have good and bad points but mostly its what your used to working with or what you first learned on and from that point on, it becomes your reference.

The most common misconception about PT, especial PT10 is the master fader concept. It's not a Master fader at all but rather, the trim input to the DAC of your soundcard and its PRE not POST like the Sonar concept of a Master Fader. Thats why gain staging is so important on all versions of PT prior to 10 and its higher floating point engine. And what the PT world calls AUX sends, everyone else calls BUSSES....big whoop.

Of the three, I think Sonar is by far the most intuitive to work with from a music creation standpoint. Things make more musical sense, less keyboard shortcuts to memorize. Workflow is awesome and you get stuck in the 'Tech" zone less often. Screensets RULE THE WORLD, one big screen LCD to run everything, awesome and most useful feature to date! If they would simply stop adding new Gee Wiz features every fiscal quarter to entice the already ADHD driven market and make the thing more stable, I would be doing backflips.

But in fairness, PT 10 does have some very strong features as well. Elastic Audio simply kicks ass period. No comparison on anything else. Audio snap isn't even in the same universe. Try it once and you'll agree. Its fast, simple, and it actually works. Track a Drummer, lay in a MIDI bass line via soft synth, then track live keys and real vocals and the PA on the project comes in and says its all has to be 7bpm  slower....done and the results dont sound like they are on crack.

Nuendo simply kills for post work...period. It is unbeleivably stable under conditions that would choke both PT and Sonar and it handles Video like a dream. Its Bussing structure is fast, deals well with external hardware and SMPTE like a dream and dosn't try to re-invent the post production world by calling normal mixer related functions something completely different just because it was the first kid on the block.

The point being they all have their strengths and weakness. Its up to you to pick the best tool for the job...your job.  Who cares who is using it...if you cant get what your after with ANY of the big powerful DAWS out there now....your probably not trying very hard.