Beepster
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ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
EDIT: I'm an idiot. It was the noise knob. Please disregard. lol So I've finally found some time to start poking around at my work in progress and noticed a hiss even with playback stopped. I did some hunting around for the culprit (turned off any armed tracks, input echo, a/b'd various PC power buttons on busses, etc). Turns out it was coming from the instance of the new Tape Sim I had inserted to my drum bus. It is definitely making the drums sound pretty awesome but I find it odd that it is creating hiss even with playback stopped and no live signal feeding it. Is this to be expected? If so I'm a little concerned because although the sim sounds great it's an awful lot of hiss for one instance (especially with no playback). It may be possible other effects are contributing but the hiss disappears immediately when disabling the TS. Just trying to get an idea of what I'm dealing with here. I recall the old Cakewalk plugin tape sim had a hiss/noise control that would add hiss as desired. Perhaps there is a similar control where I can remove the hiss without removing the awesome sauce with the PC version. Cheers and thanks.
post edited by Beepster - 2014/06/28 14:39:45
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scook
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 14:06:08
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☼ Best Answerby Beepster 2014/06/28 14:38:49
Never noticed a problem with it in X3e. There is a big NOISE knob on the plug-in which I leave all the way to the left though.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 14:16:03
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Thanks. I'll check that out. I currently have the knobs linked because I thought it was a effect vs. output gain type leveling going on but perhaps I should look at other ways to control the resulting level or something. I still find it odd to be getting that much noise with playback stopped. I thought effects more or less stopped working when stopped unless echo was engaged. Even the high gain guit sims don't make any noise but I guess that might be because of the internal gate. I need to ask though... was this a problem BEFORE X3e? I'm on the e patch but perhaps something went wonky somewhere with the update.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 14:21:25
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 14:23:00
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Any chance echo input is on for that channel and you're picking up something external?
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 14:31:08
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Thanks scook. I'll have to look into this further. I'm actually editing right now so it doesn't matter but wanted to see what might be up. Hi, Craig. I had been recording bass tracks and the echo was engaged but that was the first thing I checked. It made no difference and they aren't feeding into that buss (or related at all) anyway. I need to rebuild this project from an effects/mixing standpoint anyway but wanted to get my brain working on a solution before I hit that point. No biggie but I will have to fix it. Might just be this project. I started it before I updated so maybe that's the problem. I can't remember if I inserted the Tape Sim before or after the update but I think it was after. Darned nice sounding tool though. Just that hiss is a little obnoxious. Cheers.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 14:43:50
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Okay... I'm a complete and utter dumbass. As scook pointed out there is a huge "Noise" knob. I had forgotten how to work the bloody plug and didn't even look at it so thought it was one of the linkable knobs. Turning down the big arsed knob that is plainly labeled "Noise" did indeed somehow magically reduce the noise. Imagine that. lulz This is what happens when I stay away from the DAW for so long and jump back in thinking I know it all. D'oh. Sorry guys.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 15:26:58
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Beep I was going to say the noise is from the noise knob but something tells me you know that now. I even checked it out. I have forgotten so much stuff it could fill an entire library. You also gave me a nice little laugh. Not at you but with you.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 15:29:09
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The silly thing is scook nailed it and I kept spinning my wheels unnecessarily. And by "silly" I mean "derpy". lulz I'll get my head back in the game. I promise.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 15:38:43
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Like scook, I never turn up the noise control and had forgotten about it. But sometimes the Law of Unintended Consequences works in one's favor: this thread reminded me that there's a noise source in Sonar, which I need from time to time. A little noise, a little normalization...done!
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 15:55:17
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I'm not sure why I even had it turned up (it was at about 2 o'clock which I'm assuming isn't the default). I thought maybe I had set it like that because it sounded better during my initial tests but there doesn't seem to be any change in the actual quality of the drum sound. In fact you can't hear it at all in the mix... but I know it's there adding unwanted muck. It's turned down now. The effect itself though... wow. What an awesome improvement to my drum sound with next to zero fiddling. Sooooo glad they included it. Thanks, Cake.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 16:07:31
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 16:34:12
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Reminds me of the time I couldn't work out where the hiss was coming from until I realized it was the Waves analog plugs I had inserted. Never really understood the point of including the hiss in an analog emulation. Does it add "air" or something? LOL!
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 16:45:40
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Anderton Rhythm guitar, too.
Interesting. I'll have to give that a try. Thanks. sharke Reminds me of the time I couldn't work out where the hiss was coming from until I realized it was the Waves analog plugs I had inserted. Never really understood the point of including the hiss in an analog emulation. Does it add "air" or something? LOL!
I think it's more of an attempt to be as true to the hardware as possible warts and all type thing but fortunately being able to remove those warts. I was a little worried when I started this because that was one wart I did not necessarily want. I could see wanting it there if one wanted to create a low fi feel in a creative sense... which I might on occasion. I don't think this particular hiss has enough impact for that though. Maybe if it was piled onto every channel or something. Some kind of turntable emu would probably be more effective.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 16:48:52
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Beepster Some kind of turntable emu would probably be more effective.
That would be the vinyl.sfz in DimPro.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 16:58:32
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scook
Beepster Some kind of turntable emu would probably be more effective.
That would be the vinyl.sfz in DimPro.
? As an effect on existing audio or just to add a layer of noise on it's own track then mixed in? I ask because I don't know really how using synths as effects works but have seen it mentioned. Didn't think DimPro would work that way though. Cheers.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 17:05:00
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Either way but using DimPro and Rapture as effects does not meaning dropping them in the FX bin but dropping the track into the synth. There are synths which provide a separate FX dll like Z3TA+ classic or process audio directly like Pentagon I.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 17:11:31
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I see. I have loooooot to learn about synths but these little snippets of what can and cannot be done (and with what) is helping me build a bigger picture of it all. Thanks.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 17:38:30
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You can use the Sonitus surround panner to do serious warpage and even "scratching"-type processing. However, note that using it in this manner may be illegal in some states.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/28 17:53:54
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I dun the same thing Beep! T
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/29 02:52:19
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There are plenty of vinylizer VST's out there - iZotope's is a good one, and it's free: https://www.izotope.com/en/products/effects-instruments/vinyl/ Sometimes I'll just turn off all of the vinyl noise settings - scratches, dust, electrical hum etc - and use the "year" dial to get that vintage lo-fi tone. It works great.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/30 09:49:49
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Sharke clued me in on vinyl... And that makes noise with the transport stopped too (rather freaky actually). I can see me going back to a song in the future and wondering why it has issues.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/30 21:02:34
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+1 for Vinyl - it's great at giving everything that straight from vinyl sound, with a decent amount of control. Funny.... Vinyl is how I first got on board with Ozone at v1.
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Re: ProChannel Tape Sim causing hiss even with playback stopped. Is this normal?
2014/06/30 21:48:30
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mettelus Sharke clued me in on vinyl... And that makes noise with the transport stopped too (rather freaky actually). I can see me going back to a song in the future and wondering why it has issues.
LOL this happens to me all the time - I'll load a project and wonder why in the hell it's crackling. I get around it by automating it so that the effect only happens on the parts of the tune I want it to (intro's etc). Oh and if you're wondering why the warp controls don't work, they only work in the Direct X version of the plug (I think both are in the download). However, since reinstalling my audio stuff on a new rig, for some reason they don't work in the Direct X version for me either. It sure used to work...
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