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Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where?

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I'm currently in a late midlife DAW crisis! I started with Cakewalk for DOS, blah, blah, blah, went through the Pro Audio era, blah, blah, blah, and through SONAR versions up to 8.5. I bailed for several years because I didn't have the hardware to handle the X series. I'm semi-back now, but there are so many times I have to bite my tongue because I want to say "But <this other DAW> handles <such and such> so much better <for this reason>, IMO."
 
I'm torn among three DAWs now, each with their own strengths and almost as importantly, their own forums (with their own forum personalities). On each of them I see posts about how "This is the greatest forum ever, the most helpful and knowledgeable," yada-yada. That's to be expected, but can anyone recommend an objective site where people just discuss the pros and cons of different DAWs without it becoming personal, as in trying to belittle people who use certain DAWs by using nicknames, etc., etc.?
 
Thanks-
 
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 03:42:26 (permalink)
    Hi Susan,
     
    Not sure, try GearSlutz, KVR Audio and FutureProducers/forums. All these sites are non-developers of DAW software.  It be interesting comparing the results of all three sites (feedback/advise and whinging LOL!) 
     
    Hmmm I guess no matter where you go, there will be DAW-Huggers.
     
    I suppose the most common feedback is... 'whatever workflow works best for you'.
    And..... 'no DAW is perfect, that's why some people use 2 DAW's'.

     
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 04:47:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DonM 2015/04/26 22:10:21
    I don't see why this forum won't be as good a place as any really most people seem pretty mature and level headed.  Try it and if it blows up, try somewhere else?  In fact, I'm enjoying and using these forums far more since setting Sonar aside for [mystery DAW].  I simply don't get involved in any Sonar-specific threads as a result any more, but as a place for general musical/tech discussion this forum is The Best (TM).
     
    I've easily tried 20+ DAWs out over the last year and have realised that the typical mentality of 'all the plugin choice under the sun but only ONE DAW' is perhaps a bit silly.  I currently switch between about 5 DAWs depending on what I want to achieve, how quickly I want to work, what hardware (computer) I'm using.
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 04:56:37 (permalink)
    Only ever using one DAW is a bit like only using one synth or one guitar. You'll never find a single DAW that does everything the way you prefer.
     
    I use Sonar in my studio, but PreSonus Studio One with my live recording rig.  I much prefer Sonar for 97% of what I do, but there are technical reasons I use Studio One for my live rig.
     
    Don't forget we have a feature request area.  If there's something in another DAW you really like that would fit in Sonar, add a feature request.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 06:14:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/04/16 14:43:59
    Personally, I would avoid Notepad.  It takes FOREVER to enter all those zeros and ones!!! 

     
    Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 10:02:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Susan G 2015/04/18 22:16:52
    "Bla bla bla, yada yada yada"
    Try some Google searching...


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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 10:31:53 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    DAW's make sense to some, and don't to others, at least me!
     
    I have had the hardest time, and I don't know why, albeit I am a quarter blind and see double most of the time, but a couple of folks here would rather call me stupid! Abelton I was (at least) able to get started on it, but the time element used on it was crazy ... way too much time, you could say to learn a dumb program. So I switched to Sonar, and it's worse! And hopefully, here in the near future, I can get help to do this, or in the end, I will simply hire someone to come here and teach me ... how to do what I would like to do ... which in the end, is like saying ... you and I do not know merde ... and some folks here would rather trash you than say something positive.
     
    For me, the main pages are too small and too busy for my eyes to be able to work with them! It's like I need a monitor that is 40 inches wide or something!
     
    But a couple of folks here, have been excellent, though I have yet to get their assist value going, as I have been turning around my computers and setup.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 12:19:25 (permalink)
    Susan G
    That's to be expected, but can anyone recommend an objective site where people just discuss the pros and cons of different DAWs without it becoming personal, as in trying to belittle people who use certain DAWs by using nicknames, etc., etc.?




    So you're asking for an open internet forum where people behave like adults and respect others with opinions different from their own? 
     
    If you find that place, please share it!
     
    Until then, I'd concur with either here (with some understanding of the rules - criticizing Sonar seems to be OK, "promoting" other products apparently isn't) or some of the choices above, though I swore long ago never to visit GS again due to its terrible signal to noise ratio.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 12:53:17 (permalink)
    I think you'll find "clicks" and "highly opinionated/biased" responses on just about any audio forum.
    Gearsluts is a great forum... as is KVR... as are the Cakewalk and Steinberg forums.
    I've been on the Cakewalk forums since the early CompuServe days.
    IMO, It's still one the best overall forums.
    Maybe not completely objective , but you can bring up nearly any point of discussion... and have rational/logical dialog.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/16 13:06:44 (permalink)
    Rimshot
    "Bla bla bla, yada yada yada"
    Try some Google searching...



    which usually results in opinions from the horses arse
     
    here you hear opinions from the mouth end     

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/17 19:45:23 (permalink)
    I hate them all and I love them all. (Except Cubase - I just hates it.)

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/18 16:15:12 (permalink)
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    Only ever using one DAW is a bit like only using one synth or one guitar. You'll never find a single DAW that does everything the way you prefer.




    I have to disagree with that. Logic does indeed do all I want the way I want. Honestly.
     
    I do have Pro Tools installed, mostly for compatibility and because sometimes a change of pace can be good. Theoretically. I still do all my work in Logic.
     
    I've worked w/ Cakewalk DAWs in the past. I've owned and worked with Studio One - what I dug in S1 was actually the stuff that reminded me of Logic. I sold my license. Cubase, Live and Harrison have all been uninstalled from my DAW. 
     
    So it's not the lack of familiarity, because in the last 15 years, I've spent quite a bit of time w/ each. But Logic is the ultimate absolute best DAW software for me. 
     

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/18 19:45:25 (permalink)
    I don't see the Logic here...

     
    Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/18 22:30:18 (permalink)
    Rimshot
    "Bla bla bla, yada yada yada"
    Try some Google searching...



    I just had to mark this "Helpful"!
     
    Thanks for all the other replies. I agree that this is one of the more fair- and open-minded forums out there, so maybe this is a good place for such a discussion. OTOH, I do realize that it's CW's forum, so while criticizing SONAR might be okay, "promoting" another DAW here could be frowned upon, and that's perfectly understandable. I'll think about it some more.
     
    Thanks again-
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/19 20:41:45 (permalink)
    I apologize Susan. I read your question and thought your approach was not really serious based on your use of "bla bla and yada yada". It sounded to me like you really weren't serious enough to ask us for help.  I was probably wrong. So I am sorry.  I hope you find your answers either here or elsewhere.  
     
    For the record, I do think it a little odd to ask a Cakewalk forum about advice for using other software. It just doesn't seem to be the proper thing to do but I am not a moderator or frequent contributor so please understand I wish you no harm.
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/20 07:19:25 (permalink)
    Ultimately life comes down to time only, so rather than even attempt to learn another DAW I have been with SONAR. For things "SONAR won't do," I have turned to other solutions for given tasks but not as a DAW, per se.
     
    I get confused enough trying to keep up with/learn things with SONAR at times, so messing with other DAWs would just muddy the waters terribly for me.
     
    Yada, yada, yada... (and a compulsory) Blah, blah, blah... [that makes a catchy title!]
     

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/20 09:14:49 (permalink)
    Susan G
    Hi-
     
    I'm currently in a late midlife DAW crisis! I started with Cakewalk for DOS, blah, blah, blah, went through the Pro Audio era, blah, blah, blah, and through SONAR versions up to 8.5. I bailed for several years because I didn't have the hardware to handle the X series. I'm semi-back now, but there are so many times I have to bite my tongue because I want to say "But <this other DAW> handles <such and such> so much better <for this reason>, IMO."
     
    I'm torn among three DAWs now, each with their own strengths and almost as importantly, their own forums (with their own forum personalities). On each of them I see posts about how "This is the greatest forum ever, the most helpful and knowledgeable," yada-yada. That's to be expected, but can anyone recommend an objective site where people just discuss the pros and cons of different DAWs without it becoming personal, as in trying to belittle people who use certain DAWs by using nicknames, etc., etc.?
     
    Thanks-
     
    -Susan




    Susan - I've had a very similar path as yours.  Cake P8 thru Sonar 8.5.x.  Then a competitor for a couple of years or so.  Now back to Sonar.
     
    I get frustrated because every time I try something new, the functionality is either a) broken, or b) implemented in a way that is totally incompatible with my thought process.  Other times there isn't anything there for me to try at all.
     
    I've reached the point where I'm tired of trying to relearn different ways of doing things.  S-Plat is stable and I really like the interface.  Until I run into a show stopper, I'm sticking with S-Plat but keeping the other DAW up-to-date just in case.
     
    Like mettelus said above - it comes down to time.  Cost is a secondary factor.  Sticking with one and learning it really, really well is the way I'm headed for now.  I have to admit I'm more than a little bit troubled by the release/install/regression sloppiness.  There are still a few months left to see how that plays out though.
     
    If you do find something super nifty somewhere, please give a shout out about it.  Maybe it can be mimic'd or implemented in S-Plat.
     

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/20 10:07:48 (permalink)
    mettelus
    Ultimately life comes down to time only, so rather than even attempt to learn another DAW I have been with SONAR. For things "SONAR won't do," I have turned to other solutions for given tasks but not as a DAW, per se.
     
    I get confused enough trying to keep up with/learn things with SONAR at times, so messing with other DAWs would just muddy the waters terribly for me. 
    Yada, yada, yada... (and a compulsory) Blah, blah, blah... [that makes a catchy title!]
     



    My words exactly. One has to be a really heavy user to be able to handle several DAWs.
    I'm also sceptical enough to assume that quite many (not so heavy users) jump between DAWs because they don't know that they could do the same things in just one.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/20 21:01:22 (permalink)
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    I apologize Susan. I read your question and thought your approach was not really serious based on your use of "bla bla and yada yada". It sounded to me like you really weren't serious enough to ask us for help.  I was probably wrong. So I am sorry.  I hope you find your answers either here or elsewhere.  
     
    For the record, I do think it a little odd to ask a Cakewalk forum about advice for using other software. It just doesn't seem to be the proper thing to do but I am not a moderator or frequent contributor so please understand I wish you no harm.
     
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    Hi Rimshot-
     
    No worries. Sorry. I used “blah, blah, blah” and “yada-yada” because it was late and I was being lazy. Otherwise, I probably would've used “etc., etc.” 
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/20 21:05:34 (permalink)
    Hi-
     
    I use R heavily and daily for non-musical work (transcriptions from spoken word recordings) because it's so highly customizable and I can integrate it tightly with Microsoft Word using AutoHotkey scripts. I realize this is a specific use case, but it’s my use case and there’s no way I could do what I can with R with SONAR.  I could detail some of it, but that would be really boring and has nothing to do with music…
     
    However, R’s customizability is, IMO, both a strength and a weakness. There are SO MANY options & preferences that it’s easy to get lost in them.
     
    OTOH, I think R’s Action List implementation is wonderful. It’s so easy to find actions and what keys are assigned to what. I don’t think SONAR’s keyboard shortcuts list is nearly as well designed.
     
    I’ve also used FL Studio (formerly Fruity Loops) for almost as long as I’ve used Cakewalk products, not because I use loops—I don’t—but because I like being able to compose using the techniques it offers. When I stopped using SONAR before, the Matrix View couldn’t output to hardware synths. Now it can, so that’s good.
     
    I paid full price for P5 when it first came out and that was long ago way discounted and finally abandoned. (I can, however, rewire it into 64-bit apps, thanks to this: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/alipapa_p/63031495.html)
     
    I’m not sorry I bought SONAR Platinum, but truth be told, that’s mostly because of the add-ins so far. I also like the way it looks, for the most part.
     
    I have no confidence that user-requested Feature Requests will be implemented, nor that user-reported Bug Reports will be fixed. I’ll continue to report bugs, but only when the automatic Crash Reporter or whatever it’s called comes up. It would be nice if we’d hear something back from Cakewalk about those so we don’t feel like we’re sending it off into the ether, never to be heard from again.  Feature Requests fall off the first page radar so fast that it’s basically not worth it to even post them. IMO.
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/21 08:38:09 (permalink)
    Susan,
     
    While I am not in any way connected to Cakewalk, it would be pretty foolish of the developers, and the company as a whole, to not monitor the feature requests forum regularly. I don't think that it matters that a request falls off the first page or not. I would assume that they are taking highly voted feature requests and adding them to a to do list for (possible) future releases. While I, and probably most of us, would love to know which requests Cakewalk is taking into consideration, I'm sure they don't want to commit to any particular request publicly due to the way the forum can get all twisted up with unrealistic delivery expectations.
     
    I think it is a good thing to make intelligent feature requests for features that are available in other DAW's and cannot be performed in Sonar at all, or the workaround is so convoluted that it isn't worth the effort. If the request gets rated high enough, I am sure Cakewalk takes notice.
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/21 10:13:40 (permalink)
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    Hi-
     
    I use R heavily and daily for non-musical work (transcriptions from spoken word recordings) because it's so highly customizable and I can integrate it tightly with Microsoft Word using AutoHotkey scripts. I realize this is a specific use case, but it’s my use case and there’s no way I could do what I can with R with SONAR.  I could detail some of it, but that would be really boring and has nothing to do with music…
     
    However, R’s customizability is, IMO, both a strength and a weakness. There are SO MANY options & preferences that it’s easy to get lost in them.
     
    OTOH, I think R’s Action List implementation is wonderful. It’s so easy to find actions and what keys are assigned to what. I don’t think SONAR’s keyboard shortcuts list is nearly as well designed.
     
    I’ve also used FL Studio (formerly Fruity Loops) for almost as long as I’ve used Cakewalk products, not because I use loops—I don’t—but because I like being able to compose using the techniques it offers. When I stopped using SONAR before, the Matrix View couldn’t output to hardware synths. Now it can, so that’s good.
     
    I paid full price for P5 when it first came out and that was long ago way discounted and finally abandoned. (I can, however, rewire it into 64-bit apps, thanks to this: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/alipapa_p/63031495.html)
     
    I’m not sorry I bought SONAR Platinum, but truth be told, that’s mostly because of the add-ins so far. I also like the way it looks, for the most part.
     
    I have no confidence that user-requested Feature Requests will be implemented, nor that user-reported Bug Reports will be fixed. I’ll continue to report bugs, but only when the automatic Crash Reporter or whatever it’s called comes up. It would be nice if we’d hear something back from Cakewalk about those so we don’t feel like we’re sending it off into the ether, never to be heard from again.  Feature Requests fall off the first page radar so fast that it’s basically not worth it to even post them. IMO.
     
    -Susan


    Hi Susan -
    Good post. Your absence as a long standing Cake/Sonar user, along with Dave Mod's was duly noted, as was your return. Both of you are expressing concerns about Sonar - either missing what are felt to be key features that the other Daws have - Most notably Reaper in your case, and Pro Tools in Dave's case, or continuing to have some bugs or "quirks" compared to how the other programs work.
    There isn't a lot of patience on these forums for obvious trolls, and sometimes people who come across as trolls but aren't - don't get a fair shake when they come out with guns a blazin'.
    I personally have lashed out way too quickly and regretted it later.
    I'd be surprised if anyone sees either you or Dave that way ( as "trolls" or malcontents) - in fact quite the opposite. I personally welcome all your ideas and comparatives as necessary to help SONAR improve. You're both knowledgeable DAW users and have good insights into how something that works in another DAW could/should work in SONAR.
    I hope you both will stick around, (persevere through the inevitable snipes), and continue to bring your ideas forward as Feature Request/Problem Reports. Understand that takes time and detracts from time to make music.
    Thanks again.
    <Edit to add> I share Dan's view that Cake will definitely mine the depths of both the Feature Request and the Problem Report sub-forums - maybe not as quickly as individual submitters might like, but it'll definitely help to move the program forward evolutionarily, if not revolutionarily.
    post edited by Brando - 2015/04/21 10:21:49

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/21 10:59:35 (permalink)
    Also, Susan - thanks for the link to the Rewire bridge. I had been using Rewire VST to convert Kinetic to a VST, which then had to be wrapped in Bitbridge. Worked ok but prefer not to have 32 bit plugins unless absolutely no option. I don't even have Project 5 installed anymore - Might have to hunt it down. Uggh...
    On EDIT - (Well I found my P5-2 CD and I have my installers for 2.01, 2.5 and 2.51. (Does anyone recall if 2.51 is the last one)?
    Nervous about gunking things up, so I am holding off for now. Is anyone (Susan, Swamptooth) really happy they (re-)installed P5?
    Not sure it's worth the effort.
    Cheers)
    post edited by Brando - 2015/04/21 12:38:47

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/21 13:20:17 (permalink)
    I love the macro implementation in the R-word.  For example, one of the things that I learned to appreciate in PT11 was the one key clip editing shortcuts.  Trim to beginning, Trim to End, Fade to beginning, Fade to end.  The R-word doesn't have these as part of their menu system as well but I noticed that the Actions list had these commands and it would be easy to set up your own hot keys for them.
     
    But there are times when I'm in PT that I miss a command that SONAR has.  Groove clips for example.  In PT you have to duplicate a clip over and over again whereas in SONAR (once you've created a Groove Clip) you can simple stretch it out over a period of time.
     
    Markers are more powerful in PT because it's easier to get to them.  But I don't see how Sonar would ever implement the same sort of thing because of two words - legacy compatibility.  I think all DAWs are locked into certain behaviors for the same reason and now they can't change.
     
    But one thing I will grant the Cakewalk team is that they DO listen - a lot more than I believe the other DAW developers do.  I know they hear us because I saw two things change in the Console view (FX Rack and extended Sends).  If I could only get them to implement another track size (Normal - Medium - Narrow), I would call the Console view - "DONE."   I know a lot of the size constraints are due to touch screen implementation and that's a direction that the CW team has decided that sets them apart.  
     
    The R-word team listen too but it seems if you get their attention with a request they take whatever suggestion you have, run it through a green light session, add a hundred variations on your theme and then implement a three tiered menu system to cover it all.  Haha.
     
    It's good to be back among you all and good to see Susan back as well.  I was always here lurking and waiting for SONAR to tack back in my direction.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/22 02:09:09 (permalink)
    Brando
    Also, Susan - thanks for the link to the Rewire bridge. I had been using Rewire VST to convert Kinetic to a VST, which then had to be wrapped in Bitbridge. Worked ok but prefer not to have 32 bit plugins unless absolutely no option. I don't even have Project 5 installed anymore - Might have to hunt it down. Uggh...
    On EDIT - (Well I found my P5-2 CD and I have my installers for 2.01, 2.5 and 2.51. (Does anyone recall if 2.51 is the last one)?
    Nervous about gunking things up, so I am holding off for now. Is anyone (Susan, Swamptooth) really happy they (re-)installed P5?
    Not sure it's worth the effort.
    Cheers)


    Hi Brando-
     
    Yes, 2.51 is the last P5 update. Installing it didn't gunk anything up on my Win 8.1 system. When I first installed it lo those many years ago, I couldn't make heads nor tails of it and that ticked me off (with myself), since it wasn't cheap (initially--over time, it definitely was). The first version didn't even provide for hardware synths, but they rectified that in like 1.5 or something, IIRC.
     
    I was motivated to take another look because I like the Performance Mode in FLS, but you can't simultaneously record while you're playing back the Performance.  You can mix the two with P5. I use pattern-based sequencing such as what FLS and P5 offer when I'm composing to easily try out different ideas. I just find it easier to experiment that way than with a linear sequencer.
     
    Is it worth the effort to re-install P5?  Honestly, I don't know. I guess it depends on what you want to use it for. I'm glad I did, if only because I get (most of) it now. I still don't know how much I'll actually use it. I *can* say that that ReWire 32 to 64 app works great, though!
     
    -Susan
     
     

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/22 02:31:06 (permalink)
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    Susan,
     
    While I am not in any way connected to Cakewalk, it would be pretty foolish of the developers, and the company as a whole, to not monitor the feature requests forum regularly. I don't think that it matters that a request falls off the first page or not. I would assume that they are taking highly voted feature requests and adding them to a to do list for (possible) future releases. While I, and probably most of us, would love to know which requests Cakewalk is taking into consideration, I'm sure they don't want to commit to any particular request publicly due to the way the forum can get all twisted up with unrealistic delivery expectations.
     
    I think it is a good thing to make intelligent feature requests for features that are available in other DAW's and cannot be performed in Sonar at all, or the workaround is so convoluted that it isn't worth the effort. If the request gets rated high enough, I am sure Cakewalk takes notice.
     
    Regards,
    Dan
     


    Hi Dan-
     
    I agree. Saying I have "no confidence" was harsh, and not really how I feel. I have "some confidence," I guess, but it really does seem like FRs generally generate some interest when they're new and then when they fall off the first page or two, they don't get any more votes unless someone resurrects them. Since it's "bad etiquette" to bump your own post, that's pretty much that.
     
    I really have no idea how CW prioritizes FRs, but they have to fit in with their overall plan, not just be "popular," I'd think. I only learned recently how the "star" system works. I thought "1" was "mild approbation," not "genuinely feel that the Bakers time would be better spent on something else."
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/22 02:40:28 (permalink)
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    I love the macro implementation in the R-word.  For example, one of the things that I learned to appreciate in PT11 was the one key clip editing shortcuts.  Trim to beginning, Trim to End, Fade to beginning, Fade to end.  The R-word doesn't have these as part of their menu system as well but I noticed that the Actions list had these commands and it would be easy to set up your own hot keys for them.
     
    But there are times when I'm in PT that I miss a command that SONAR has.  Groove clips for example.  In PT you have to duplicate a clip over and over again whereas in SONAR (once you've created a Groove Clip) you can simple stretch it out over a period of time.
     
    Markers are more powerful in PT because it's easier to get to them.  But I don't see how Sonar would ever implement the same sort of thing because of two words - legacy compatibility.  I think all DAWs are locked into certain behaviors for the same reason and now they can't change.
     
    But one thing I will grant the Cakewalk team is that they DO listen - a lot more than I believe the other DAW developers do.  I know they hear us because I saw two things change in the Console view (FX Rack and extended Sends).  If I could only get them to implement another track size (Normal - Medium - Narrow), I would call the Console view - "DONE."   I know a lot of the size constraints are due to touch screen implementation and that's a direction that the CW team has decided that sets them apart.  
     
    The R-word team listen too but it seems if you get their attention with a request they take whatever suggestion you have, run it through a green light session, add a hundred variations on your theme and then implement a three tiered menu system to cover it all.  Haha.
     
    It's good to be back among you all and good to see Susan back as well.  I was always here lurking and waiting for SONAR to tack back in my direction.


    Hi Dave-
     
    Good to see you here and thanks for the welcome back, too!
     
    Macros in R, yes, huge for me, and it's *so easy* to build them and to assign a shortcut and see which are already assigned to what.
     
    And then you have to deal with the menus and preferences and yes, "a hundred variations" on the theme, and your eyes glaze over even reading them all...
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/30 03:21:10 (permalink)
    So Dorchester cometh.
     
    Other than the fix for the Control Module, I have no interest in it.
     
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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/30 16:18:11 (permalink)
    Susan G
    So Dorchester cometh.
     
    Other than the fix for the Control Module, I have no interest in it.
     
    -Susan




    I was very underwhelmed with the initial release, so I didn't bother and decided to see how it panned out. 1/3rd of the way through I still see nothing that is making me think of it as a worthwhile upgrade. I also don't buy into all the happy clapping over fixing things that didn't work properly as that should be a given, not a privilege of membership IMHO. I'm hoping that CW will make me change my mind by the end of the 12 month period, but they have a way to go yet. X3 will do me fine for now.

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    Re: Probably bad form to compare DAWs here, but where? 2015/04/30 19:39:59 (permalink)
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    I don't see why this forum won't be as good a place as any really most people seem pretty mature and level headed  

    lol

     
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