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2015/08/31 20:29:09 (permalink)

Problem audio rec in sonar!!!

Hi everybody i've got a big probleme with sonar ,when i take a rec the level is not the same is not realistic
i waiste time o get another mic(neumman) sound card or pre'amps the result is the same 5 year of sonar (8.5)
the audio is not realistic .
Some people do this audio comparaison ?
 
The waves import or bounces son good but rec a mic is the disastre!!
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 20:50:59 (permalink)
If I'm understanding the question properly, it sounds like you may need to gain your mic up if you're finding it sounds low in level. If you're going direct into your soundcard/interface and cant get enough level, you may need an external pre-amp - or check your soundcard/interface software, you may have input gain levels set low. Hope that makes sense ?   

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 20:53:18 (permalink)
Just a thought, if you're using a condenser mic make sure you've got +48V enabled on your preamp or interface software.
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 21:00:07 (permalink)
thanks for the reply, but when i say rec is not the level but the gain captation in the daw
i've take 2 rec 1 in sonar 1 in reaper or protools with same sound card the wave is not the same 
reaper or protools sound natural sonar sound like is don-t have impact or gain ? why ?
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 21:21:09 (permalink)
You need to rewrite your questions in a way we can understand them. 
 
Just to be sure you know this. Sonar has no control on recoding levels. They are controlled at the source. Your microphone your pre-amp and your audio interface all have control Sonar does not. 

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 21:27:26 (permalink)
How your Mic sounds is not down to your DAW. It's the audio interface and mic.

Would love to help but I don't understand your English. Be specific on exactly what you are doing here with Sonar. Step by step.

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 21:38:54 (permalink)
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You need to rewrite your questions in a way we can understand them. 
 
Just to be sure you know this. Sonar has no control on recoding levels. They are controlled at the source. Your microphone your pre-amp and your audio interface all have control Sonar does not. 




John, you can have great levels going into Sonar and record nothing. Sonar has LOTS of control over recording levels and this may be a case of bad configuration or preferences. It sounds like he records on other DAW's but hasn't figured out how to get the same results from Sonar.
 
O/P tell us about your hardware and the configuration details. You should also go through Sonar preferences and see that they are the same as you use in the other DAW software. Bon chance'

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/08/31 21:49:28 (permalink)
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John
You need to rewrite your questions in a way we can understand them. 
 
Just to be sure you know this. Sonar has no control on recoding levels. They are controlled at the source. Your microphone your pre-amp and your audio interface all have control Sonar does not. 




John, you can have great levels going into Sonar and record nothing. Sonar has LOTS of control over recording levels and this may be a case of bad configuration or preferences. It sounds like he records on other DAW's but hasn't figured out how to get the same results from Sonar.
 
O/P tell us about your hardware and the configuration details. You should also go through Sonar preferences and see that they are the same as you use in the other DAW software. Bon chance'


Sorry you're wrong. Sonar has no control over levels in record mode. This is unintuitive but true. The way it works is the audio goes directly to disk and its monitored by Sonar. That is why its important to keep the record meters at unity to get an accurate reading. Changing them will not actually change the audio coming in but will give you inaccurate readings. 
 
I should add the reason this is the way it is is because Sonar does not have any control over the A/D converters. A signal could already be clipped and show as low on the record meters if you lower them. 
 
All levels need to be carefully adjusted at the source and at the input chain for recording. 
post edited by John - 2015/08/31 22:13:34

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 01:55:54 (permalink)
ok thx a lot but iam a french user so excuse my english i think is maybe in preferencial but i don't know how to ajust or got not the same of reaper protools buta natural take of rec 
if i give a louder in the mic i've got saturation not DB !
 
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 03:10:11 (permalink)
So that sounds like you can set the inputs so hot that the signal distorts, but what you record is very quiet and distorted. Sounds like a set up problem in Sonar. Please post some information about your system or it will be impossible to give suggestions.

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 05:47:57 (permalink)
ok my system.
windows 10x64bits gigabyte x99 udm5
i7 5820K sound card
 rme aio and focurite forte
cakewalk VS-100
Got reaper 5.0 and protools hd10 monitoring Adam 8X Mic neumann tlm103 
 
Imac 2012 i7 with logic x 10.10
 
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 05:48:49 (permalink)
i don't have the problem on reaper protools or logic X
 
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 05:51:09 (permalink)
My Mobo have 4 month  I change it because i think it was too old  caus the problem 
sonar platinium fresh install 
!!!
 
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 07:16:02 (permalink)
I go on my set up and see I rec in 24bits depth
 
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 07:56:54 (permalink)
Does the forte/rme have mixer software? If it does, maybe that is where the problem is. Open the forte/rme mixer and make sure the levels are set correctly.
post edited by Leadfoot - 2015/09/01 08:32:44
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 10:56:21 (permalink)
ok but on rme or vs-100 is the same way
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 11:20:30 (permalink)
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So that sounds like you can set the inputs so hot that the signal distorts, but what you record is very quiet and distorted. Sounds like a set up problem in Sonar. 

 
Sorry John, but I think you're missing the point.
 
The only way to control the input level going into Sonar(and hence to disc) is via your interface/mixer/pre-amp
 
As John rightly points out, if the signal is clipping at your converters, you can lower the fader all you want in sonar but the signal will still be clipped.
Sonar CANNOT know what's going on "outside the box" which is why it's extremely important to set your gain staging correctly right at the beginning of the chain - in this case microphone & pre-amp/interface gain.
 
During recording, the track level indicators in Sonar are for monitoring only - hence the need to keep them at unity to show exactly what level you can expect after recording. Adjusting this fader up or down makes no difference to the recorded signal but will make it impossible to accurately monitor what's being recorded. The same applies to the input gain (trim) at the top of the channel.

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 11:24:30 (permalink)
Have to agree with Bristol and John here.
Your record levels are set at your audio interface. Everything else is monitoring.
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 11:32:49 (permalink)
Is it even possible to change the monitoring level behaviour in Sonar?  As soon as you arm a track for recording, the meter shows whatever's coming in through the interface, no matter where the fader is set.  There's no "set to unity" as far as I know.

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 13:21:14 (permalink)
Set to Unity simply means setting the track fader at 0dB and the Gain at 0 prior to engaging record.
 
The track level meter will then tell you what level your incoming signal will be recorded at whilst you play/sing/hum/fart into the mic.
 
You should be aiming at a level of anywhere between -15dB and -6dB on all of your tracks.

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 13:32:09 (permalink)
Unity is no gain or cut. Bristol has it exactly right. 

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 13:49:51 (permalink)
Yes, understood, but my point was that even if the fader is not at unity, the meter still shows actual recording levels (i.e. pre-fader) when the track is armed for recording, doesn't it?
post edited by MondoArt - 2015/09/01 13:58:22

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 14:01:13 (permalink)
Perhaps if its pre fader. Most people have it post fader.  Besides why screw with it when it wont impact the audio in any way. 

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 14:02:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby notscruffy2 2015/09/01 14:25:39
I am wondering if there is an issue with Driver Mode in Sonar, or even Sample Rate.
 
Please go to Sonar, and in Edit, then Preferences, then under Driver Settings, please list the Sample Rate shown.
 
Then, also in Preferences, under Playback and Recording, please list: Driver Mode.
 
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Je me demande si il ya un problème avec le mode de pilote dans Sonar , ou même fréquence d'échantillonnage .
 
S'il vous plaît aller à Sonar , et Modifier, puis Préférences , puis sous Paramètres du pilote , s'il vous plaît la liste de la fréquence d'échantillonnage affichée.
 
Puis , aussi dans les Préférences , sous Lecture et enregistrement , s'il vous plaît énumérer : Mode Driver .
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 14:19:20 (permalink)
To the OP, which driver mode are you using for the Forte, both in SONAR and the other DAWs?
 
As mentioned above, the gain knob on the Forte is hugely important (as are any effects being performed by the Forte itself).
 
A quick check of SONAR settings would be to navigate to the project folder you recorded and open that recorded wav file with Windows Media Player. If it still sounds "bad" is an issue with settings on the audio interface. If it sounds fine, then settings inside SONAR need to be looked at.

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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 15:35:00 (permalink)
I speak French. If you can ask your question in English but also include French, we may be able to provide more help. 
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 15:39:24 (permalink)
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I speak French. If you can ask your question in English but also include French, we may be able to provide more help. 
 
Je parle français. Si vous pouvez poser votre question en anglais, mais aussi en français, peut-être nous pouvons fournir plus d'aide.


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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 16:45:51 (permalink)
Merci dans mes preference 48000hz en 24 bits en asio
 
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Re: Problem audio rec in sonar!!! 2015/09/01 17:06:18 (permalink)
Merci beaucoup de votre aide cela est plus facile en francais pour moi 
donc je suis un fan de sonar et je constate que dans l’évolution de mon studio j'ai toujours changer de matos parceque le niveau de l'enregistrement voix ne correspondait pas avec le son de départ
j'ai essayé d'autres daw et sans aucune correction son flat j'obtient des signaux neutres et parfaitement similaire
donc je me rends compte que j'ai passé des années a acheter du matos alors quand fait le problème était le daw 
je suis frustré vu que je le connais par cœur et comprends pas certaines de ses mésaventures malgré un très bon prog
 
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