Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels

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Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels

I have just bought one of those UA-1G boxes.
I have a pretty decent computer running atm, Quad Core, 4Gb ram, a Soundblaster X-Fi card,
its running Reason, Cubase and Ableton fine, no problems at all. Oh, and Win7 64bit, but also an XP 32bit partition
I have this box set up as per all instructions and suggestions, the little switches on the back are set all down,
44.1khz, record source analogue etc, the Advanced Driver mode is ON, Guitar/Mic Switch set to guitar.
Believe me, if its in the manual, or been suggested on forums, I think I've seen it.
I plug in a guitar, and I've tried with 2 different ones, a single coil Tele, and a humbucker Gibson, and adjust the
volume till the peak light no longer lights, and that is a LOW setting, were talking less than 25% turned up.
Anything I record with is recording very quiet, like if 100 in Cubase is digital hard clipping, Im getting 25-30....
and clipping. Not the hard edge clip you get at 100, but you can definately see the signal is being clipped, and the
sound is 'buzzing'... like a mildly overdriven amp. Nothing in any DAW is approaching a clip signal. I can turn up the
input, and get a louder sound, definately a 100clip, but the buzzing and clipping is following the volume all the way down.
I've tried 2 guitars, and even tried it on an XP32 bit machine to rule out problems with 64bit, all the same result.
For comparison, I recorded some takes through my soundblaster, and get the familar waveforms, albeit very quiet and
the resulting recordings needed normalisation, but there was no compressed look to them, and definately no clipping/buzzing.
I have of course tried every buffer setting from the unplayable largest to the fastest smallest, and it looks like the computer
will handle the fastest setting, I couldnt hear clicks and pops or dropouts.
It also appears to be doing the same monitoring through the headphones, but my headphones are not the best as it is, but
it definately does it while monitoring back through the speakers (basically, Input Monitoring 'On or Auto')
*edit as I remembered something, using it as the main audio device in my machine, playback of anything is fine*

Any suggestions / help here would be greatly appreciated, I'm posting this now because Cakewalks technical support links
are giving me sql database errors or whatnot.

Many thanks for reading

The Heed
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    Chappel
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 06:25:09 (permalink)
    What software are you using when you have this problem with the UA-1G? If you made any changes to the UA-1G, did you unplug it and then plug it back in?
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 06:51:09 (permalink)
    Cubase, Wavelab, Reaper, Audacity, Ableton, Reason. Oh... and the bundled Sonar LE
    And yup, I've been unplugging it.
    I've even tried removing all other USB devices (apart from keyboard and mouse) and trying other slots.
    I'm stumped, because as a soundcard, its playing back fairly complex cubase / reason songs at very low latency,
    lower than I was expecting (we'll see how the laptop fares with that tho).

    I'm beginning to think its a return job, which is a shame

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:01:45 (permalink)
    When I record using the UA-1G I typically have the volume/Gain turned to 2 or 3.  I don't use the LED as a peak indicator, I use what sounds good.  I use a telecaster with no pre-amp or stomp box between the guitar and UA-1G and it works great.

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:09:15 (permalink)
    I am going to endeavour to make a few recordings, and post them somewhere along with screenshots of the waveforms,
    you'll see and hear the difference, believe me.
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:09:19 (permalink)
    If you've done everything you stated,  it's possible you've got a bad unit.  I've never hear of one being bad, but it's possible. 

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:21:22 (permalink)
    Your latency setting may be too low.  Can you set the UA-1G for a 15-30 ms latency to see if the problem follows?

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:27:42 (permalink)
    http://forum.cakewalk.com...2112367&high=UA-1G

    The guy in the above post is describing exactly what I'm getting... in fact
    it was my google-fu that found that post and lead me to these forums.

    It really is a case of, you cant turn it up barely an amount, and it crackles, and there is only the barest
    minimum signal getting to the DAW, that has the crackle on it, and the waveforms look clipped
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:32:56 (permalink)
    I got excited when I read another post about a guy fixing his similar
    problem by updating to v1.0.1 of the drivers, but theres only 1.0.0 for Win7x64.
    So I fired up my XP 32 install and tried the 1.0.4 drivers for it, and its the same.
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:40:44 (permalink)
    I've whacked the latency right up and down, and tested playback and recording at both extremes.
    I'm running it right now at the lowest possible setting (input 7ms, output 4ms)with Reason wired to Cubase,
    4 tracks of audio in Cubase and several combinators full of stuff in Reason, and playing Reason through Cubase with my
    keyboard during playback, and not a single glitch.
    No dice with recording tho, I can set it to maximum latency (or any setting for that matter) and its still there.
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 07:54:54 (permalink)
    I'm not in front of my system at the moment. will be in 45 minutes... Have you made any adjustments in the windows control panel- ua-1g-asio? I'll assume you have the same issue using Sonar LE...

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 17:00:40 (permalink)
    Here are some screenshots as direct comparison of the waveforms recorded using the UA-1G vs my SoundBlaster X-Fi
    First, my soundblaster....

    As you can see, nice peaks and troughs, I played quieter at the beginning and started thrashing at the end, notice I did
    get a 100 clip at the 11s mark, which was quite noticble, but the sound was clean, definately no crackling.

    Next the UA-1G

    Again I was going for soft and hard playing, the signal is clipping at a very low level, very crackly, the red peak light wasnt
    lighting, the Input was turned down very low.

    Files were recorded in Cubase at 48khz 24bit, but I have tried lots of programs with different settings, all with the same results.
    Ive been a musician for 20+ years, and building audio PC's for a good 10years now, I know enough to know this isnt right :(
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 19:20:37 (permalink)
    In Device Manager -> viewing devices by connection, is the usb current taken by the UA-1G within sensible limits?
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 20:02:04 (permalink)
    It appears at 1st glance the UA-1G is being routed through the soundblaster. Have you opened control panel/audio and disabled everything except the UA-1G?  I have a XP machine which runs a Digi-001 & Pro-tools which had a conflict and was resolved in the control panel.

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 20:02:16 (permalink)
    Yeah, its sitting on a 2 port bus at the moment, one port is empty, and its taking 50%... saying it needs 200ma...
    The only other things I have in are keyboard and mouse, both on a different bus, taking 1% each.
    So all looks ok. I had tried it in different ports, and removing everything else thinking it might be a power problem
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 20:08:01 (permalink)
    "we'll see how the laptop fares with that tho"

    Have you been able to try it on the laptop? If the problem followed the UA-1G, then I'd say you're right in having a bad unit.

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 20:14:01 (permalink)
    As it happens, I am setting up the laptop right now :)
    Just need to get some software on it to test.
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 20:19:01 (permalink)
    Brought everything with me... notebook, ua-1g, fender, FCB-1010, midi dongle...here all night.

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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/07 23:29:26 (permalink)
    After hooking it all up and recording a few minutes, I too have a clipped waveform.  I adjusted the volume/gain on the UA-1G to 5-8 and the guitar to mid volume and got a good waveform. Latency is set to 6ms @44khz.

    https://dl-web.dropbox.co...s/UA1Gt.jpg?w=96e04cbb

    I can't seem to insert picture...it's a jpg file about 91 kb in size....












     
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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/08 01:38:39 (permalink)
    Try a new reply


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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/08 03:09:04 (permalink)
    Just checking the MIC/Guitar switch there was a difference in levels.  The guitar volume is full. The UA-1G was set to 4.


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    Re:Problem with UA-1G - Clipping / Distortion at low levels 2011/07/08 12:46:37 (permalink)
    It took all night, and and all of today so far to set that laptop up, and after much fun with the
    DCP Latency tool, I believe I have a working setup now, initial tests look good.
    I will be doing some more tests ofc, but I'm off to enjoy a well deserved pint or four, and leave
    it a few days ;)
    No idea why it wont work on my main rig, but hey.... thats for another day eh?

    Many thanks to all who contributed :)
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