Problem with sonar

I'm so disappointed. I'm heavily invested in Sonar, the quad sound card, x1d (sounds pretty fancy eh..?) producer edition the "How to mix in sonar videos." But Sonar's a piece of crap. I've had so many problems with it their too many to list, the most recent, tonight's in fact, I can't delete a simple midi track. I have 2 audio tracks, and a midi track. Decided I don't like the midi so want to start over. Hit delete, EVERYTHING CRASHES. Reboot, delete...crash Reboot, delete...crash Reboot, delete...crash Reboot, delete...crash...give up 

I can't believe this. What am I supposed to do now? How much time will I have to waste dealing with such a ridiculous problem. It's depressing I tell ya. All I want to do is MUSIC! And yet every time I have to turn into a ****ing computer engineer just to figure out what's going on. This was the case when I bought the program several months ago. Gave up on figured it was my sound card, now I'm back with a Roland sound card, still flaking out...

So sad...so so sad....
:-(

There's nothing I can do...I can't ****ing believe this. Seriously, what a total piece of crap. I running windows 7, 16 ****ing gig's of ram, Every other program from Vegas to photoshop run like a ****ing dream on this computer, and yet Sonar runs like a broken old rusty vw. I'm so mad right now I don't even know how to express myself....

FWIW, a rusty old VW would run pretty darn good. However, if you said a Gremlin or a Pinto, then your saying something.

I had problems with my OC. My OC is OOC right now and I'm using my old E-MU 1616m and have had only a few crashes. With my OC, it was a few a day. It's the new drivers that are the problem but don't tell them that. Great sounding stuff but poor drivers. The version 1.0 were by far better and you can't go back.

Good luck

Which synth(s) were you using in those tracks? Could be specific to that synth... i.e., SONAR no likey...

Personally, I think music software in general is just this way. Its always been complicated, though some brands are better out of the box than others. There is no shame in asking for help, but you will have to have patience and list specs, etc. until you are completely tired of it. It really is annoying when a DAW does not work, but believe me most of us have been there. Once you get it stable, enjoy the setup and don't change it for a while - your productivity increase will make it all worthwhile. By the way, there is also no shame in trying other programs. I have been pretty darn frustrated with Sonar at times too. In fact, after upgrading each year for ten years, I categorically swear never to use Sonar X1 despite the few features I would really like. 8.5 works great. What I am getting at is do the hard work of finding a program that works ok for you without hassle, and then stick with it - I think pushing through to that stable situation will be worth it. D

I would avoid using instrument tracks. Also make sure you have the latest patches. 

When I enable the asio drivers and go to preferences driver settings playback timing master is set to "none" and offers no other alternatives. 

Agreed.. you should be using ASIO. Also, use 24 or 16 as the bit depth and 44.1KHz as the sample rate. 

Rarely should you ever listen to anything someone working in a music store has to say. 

Take a deep breath.  Sonar is not a piece of crap.  Have to tell you, my Sonar Producer Expanded install is pretty rock solid.  I don't think it has crashed yet.  Although with Producer I was having an odd crash.....  Had I not gone to, "Expanded," I probably would have done a complete uninstall and reinstall of Producer.

The thing is, "blaming Sonar," is pretty lame imo.  And, "I've seen Reason crash."  I've seen Cubase, Ableton, Logic, Pro-tools, Renoise, Sonar, Reaper crash..  They all crash.

Lot's of times the crashes are caused by vst's.  Sometimes the crashes come from bugs in the program.  Plenty of times the crashes have to do with a certain computer spec and setup.

<---------- 'm using the WDM/KS drivers with Roland's Quad-capture. The ASIO drivers on this thing are useless. Should I be using something else? I was told by the guy who sold it to me that these are the drivers I should be using. I also tested all the others and had the best luck with these.  




That's what you are running? That is a big red flag.


If you don't want to use Rolands drivers, you could try Asio4all, "google it..."  And what build of Sonar are you using?  If you purchased Sonar during these June sales, its probably worth mention...  "Install producer..  Than install the updates in the proper order.  I think you have to install C, before it will let you install D.




Are you running D?  You didn't even mention the build you are running...   Ten years into production..  lets get our bug reports sorted


Example Bug Report: Part of my spec


x64 system on AMD A6 running radeon graphics with 2200 hertz and 4 cores.  Win 7 home premium, on a 1 terabyte disk at 7200 rpm.. etc, etc.




But when your bug report is basically:


Sonar sucks.  Its crap.  Cakewalk blows.  The software is is junk.


Are you even being serious?  Cause all the DAWs are going to crash, and people wine and complain all the time.  A lot of these problems are actually people not practicing how to produce, and becoming a better artist.  Poor carpenters like to blame their hammer!


I am brand spanking new to Sonar.  Never used it before this June.  However, I've been producing 7 years now..  I've got this thing running, "rock solid," on my system.


Now, "rock solid," for most audio software is a little bit of a facetious joke.  But in all seriousness; Sonar's latest Producer Expanded build is pretty stable here.  I had some crashes with Producer when I first installed..  The things coming along now..  Its running, its really stable


+  The Sonar software is really amazing.  I mean, if you were a totally broke azz musician using Reaper, Renoise, and your old version of Live 7, that you bought, on a major discount..  You would know..  Sonar is like, "next level."   That is not to say Live and Renoise are bad.  Live is really good.  Renoise is my love.  Reaper is a piece of 

how much you want to bet this guy is dying of embaressment and will not return.?

Lipscomb is onto something here, if you focus on the problem - deleting midi tracks - rather than the symptom - crashes.  I had a bery similar problem related to deleting midi tracks when instruments were involved just last night.   Mine did not crash, rather just got confused in some way about deleting the midi tracks and did all kinds of wrong headed stuff like deleting other tracks instead, sometimes combinations of tracks.  When I deleted the instrument track, everything started working again. This was a simple project with about 3 tracks to test an idea.

 

I realise you are venting but if you took the time to explain exactly what the problem is, list your specs, and what you've tried so far. Your more likely to get help, assuming that's what you want of course.

I think it's fair to say that if Sonar crashed everytime someone deleted a track it'd hardly have lasted this long, which tends to suggest that there's something specific to your system causing it.

You've two choices really try and track down and fix the problem or move on to something else that works for you. Declaring something that many of us use without an issue as 'crap' is probably not the best way to get a result. My tuppence worth........

It's still worth trying the instrument track delete again… as other's have said, may be some known issues with instrument/MIDI tracks… Let us know what you get…

FYI:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2602388
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2580688

Can you please edit the title of this thread ?? I really object to you calling my daw of choice " a piece of crap" because you don't know how to use it. It works fine for me ....

mlipscombmtl


Re-installed, managed to get asio drivers working (downloaded updated version of drivers for Quad card,) crossing my fingers things run smoothly from here on in. Sorry about the rant last night people, I spend so much time on my computer and I've wasted so much time in my life fighting it that I guess my fuse is a little short. Will post back soon to see if werid sonar problems persist.  

Edit the thread title..  its silly