stokedboss
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Problems Recording with TH2
Looking for some help with TH2. I bought the full version, and when I put it into a tracks FX bin, and hit input echo, I can play guitar through it all day, without any issue. As soon as I hit the record button every note I play on the guitar is delayed, hard. If you stop recording the delay continues, doesn't seem to matter what buffer is set at. If I stop the audio engine and start it again, then the delay goes away -- until I hit record again. Any ideas?
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Beagle
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/08 17:01:44
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it has everything to do with your soundcard, it's drivers and driver settings.
what are they?
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/08 18:11:41
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Very strange. What happens if you place TH2 into a new bus and route your track through there?
Also, as Beagle said... Sound Card? Drivers?
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stokedboss
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/08 18:11:56
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I'm running ASIO, but it doesn't seem to matter what buffer setting's I use. I can run anywhere from 48,96,512 buffers, and it still happens. Is there something I'm missing?
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stokedboss
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/08 18:13:06
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I'm using a Roland Octa-Capture.
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 10:07:11
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does this happen only on ONE project or ALL projects? if you start a brand new project, does it still happen?
have you tried turning off ADC?
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 10:11:17
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Do you have any effects in the project, particularly CPU hungry ones like Perfect Space or look Ahead ones like the PC Concrete Limiter? If so, disable them when tracking. Other culprits are the LP-64 EQ and Multiband Compressor.
If this is happening on an empty project, then it is obviously something else. Post back, and we'll try something else.
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stokedboss
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 10:39:28
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It doesn't matter if there's a bunch of tracks or if I start a brand new project.
@Beagle what is ADC?
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 11:14:02
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Automatic Delay Compensation.
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 13:13:05
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I have a feeling that there is something inherent in Sonar's audio engine that makes problems accumulate the longer it runs. Of course technically, I have no idea what I'm talking about...but I have a similar problem with latency, in that it seems to build up over time until it's ridiculously large, but if I stop playback and turn the audio engine off then on again, it reverts back to normal. Kind of similar to the problem some of us have with MIDI notes falling behind the beat the longer a looped section runs. Although in that case, I don't have to turn the audio engine off and on, I just stop and restart playback.
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 13:31:54
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@Stokedboss: Is TH2 a stand alone VST? If so ... have you tried it in another host ... for example Reaper? It takes seconds to download (Only 7MB) and is a good tool to help troubleshoot problems like this. If it works in another host, then you have some settings to compare to Sonar.
Another thing to try is to delete your Aud.ini file and let Sonar rebuild it. Hopefully you haven't edited it at all or much. Doing that sometimes fixes odd problems like this. Make a backup first in if you have edited it in case that doesn't solve it, then you can just restore it.
@Sharke: Yep. +1
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stokedboss
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:04:46
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@sharke -- That would be a great idea, except that I just reinstalled all my software on a new computer, it's only been running for a week or so!
@ Bub, that's a really good idea, I'll give that a shot and see what happens.
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stokedboss
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:24:33
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Okay so update, now when I use TH2 in a new project the delay is gone. But when I try it on another project that has minimal tracks and no plug-ins the delay is there again.
I tried disabling ADC, and it didn't do anything.
I deleted Aud.ini, and still nothing has changed.
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stokedboss
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:32:17
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I figured it out. It seems that there was a bus that had Perfectspace enabled on it, after I bypassed it the delay went away.
Still it's weird the delay just went away on new projects... I'm not sure if it was something I did or what.
Thanks for all the help guys!
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:39:29
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Have you opened the TH2 in stand alone as bub mentioned. If you are experience the same thing there, then it would appear to be a TH2 issue, there are some settings to select there and a "test" button. If you don't experience the issues there, then it could be Sonar related. Would help to know.
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:40:53
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oops, you posted while I was looking at my verison of TH2, Glad you got it figured out!!! :)
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:45:26
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That is weird,I very nearly ponied for the octo,but got a desktop instead[my laptop/newbness to ALL things "computer"was giving me fits. With my desktop,my eventual 2nd "slightly wrong purchase"-a UA25-EX USB 1.1 interface just gets by at 11.2 ms "Round Trip Latency",and this is with this: http://www.oblique-audio.com/free/rtlutility THIS POST IS ALL Messsed Im rewriting,anyway glad you got it sorted! The gist is I'm glad the octo is cool,cause I get the impression on my laptop the "Quad"[same pres?] doesn't quite get the 8.7[more like 10?] RTLatency[8.2 reported in X2-interface trick,NOT the daw] that I'm getting with the N.I. KA6 fer $279 delivered,and records sims all day at 32 buffer 48KHz 24 bit. ohh that was awful rewriting,cause the forum software decided to edit everything after the link! Lone Space Jockey Bob Now the rewrite looks like a quote??? wow.....another too long bout without correct sleep,I'm outa heeya bye! 
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Re:Problems Recording with TH2
2013/01/09 17:46:06
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Glad you got it sorted.
As I said earlier this is one of the first things to look for, in my experience. Took me ages to suss what it was. Convolution reverb is a huge CPU hog. That's what causes the latency.
Other plug ins are look ahead effects, as obviously there will be a delay as they scan ahead.
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