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2012/04/12 10:16:51 (permalink)

Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system

I have a double quad core Xeon box. In the processor area it shows only 2 bars while on my I7 laptop i see 7 bars.
should i be seeing 8 processors (1 per core times 2 processors) or only the 2 processors?

does that meens it is not using all the 8 cores?
 
thx in advance for the help.
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/12 10:29:41 (permalink)

 
I7 2600K here - 8 threads show up.  No idea why you don't see them. Sorry, best of luck. Lots of strong users to help here.

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/12 10:45:23 (permalink)
this what i am seeing on my i7 laptop. which i never use for studio stuff until lately i add to record stuff at someone's house and saw more than 2 bars. until then i never really concider it was showing the cores but the numbers of processors. which is 2 xeon quad cores.
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/12 15:19:21 (permalink)
Forgive me if I don't understand your question.  But what is a xeon "box"  I know xeon is the chip you have and I know you have 2 of them but how can you have them in a "box" that you see on your laptop? The laptop would not have the same processor as your "box"?
 
Anyhow 
 
If my memory serves me the Xeon would be a better chip then the i7 for a Server but not for a PC.  Do note quote me on that one  I don't have any knowledge about chip architecture.  But this could be something that may help.
 
With that said I have the i7 2600k that has only 4 cores but it also has 4 threads that make up a total of 8 cores that would show up under Task Manager>Performance tab.
 
I'm not sure off hand without a reboot and going into "my bios"  but I think I remember that there was an option to shut down cores and threads if I want to.  But that's for My Motherboard and not necessarily for yours.  But maybe this is where the problem is as long as this has always been the case from the start or you had flashed your bios.
 
This is just my two cents to try to help.

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/12 16:29:13 (permalink)
I'm running dual quad core Xeons and I see 8 CPU bars in Sonar's CPU monitor as well as in Windows' task manager.

How many CPUs show up in your Windows task manager?  
Are the CPUs correctly recognized in 'system' CPU properties (or device manager)?

Hope that helps
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/12 16:32:31 (permalink)
Do you have "Use multiple processors" or whatever it is called check marked in preferences?

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 10:03:00 (permalink)
Been away for a few days for work,
thx for your help.
 
my cpus are intels xeons E5520 quad cores
so i was expexting 8 bars in sonar performance area.
 
in Windows Task manager i see 2 CPU's
in device manager i see "16" E5520 @ 2.27GHz processors (that would probably be threads)
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 10:37:01 (permalink)
What BIOS and Motherboard are you using?  Do you have the cores turned off in the BIOS?
 
You should see all eight represented in Task Manager on the Performance tab if they are on.
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 10:55:27 (permalink)
Hi,
If you're not seeing all 8 CPUs in task manager, then your Operating System isn't seeing all the CPUs - so Sonar certainly won't be able to see them if the Operating System isn't able to. 

Have you checked all BIOS settings & motherboard switches to ensure all CPU cores should be enabled and recognized?

Hope this helps.
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 11:24:49 (permalink)
karma1959


Hi,
If you're not seeing all 8 CPUs in task manager, then your Operating System isn't seeing all the CPUs - so Sonar certainly won't be able to see them if the Operating System isn't able to. 

Have you checked all BIOS settings & motherboard switches to ensure all CPU cores should be enabled and recognized?

Hope this helps.
Russ

exactly. 
 
and the 16 in the devices represents Hyperthreading "cores"  but windows task manager will only show you the 8 cores and it will only show you that IF you have it set up correctly in the BIOS to use all 8 of them.

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 12:19:58 (permalink)
Funny - I seem to remember a setting that was something like 'Show multiple cores on performance monitor' or the like. I can't find it now.
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 12:35:05 (permalink)
You may be referring to the option within Windows' task manager to display one graph per CPU or one graph for all CPUs.

Given the original poster said his task manager shows 2 CPUs, I'm assuming the 'display one graph per CPU' is selected, otherwise he'd see just 1 (not 2).
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 12:55:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
By default, SONAR only shows combined usage, not individual cores. It doesn't necessarily mean that all your cores aren't being utilized. It's just a way to scale the metering for systems with 8 or more cores without requiring an excessively large display area.

There is a variable in cakewalk.ini called CPUMeterMode (under the WinCake section). Set it to 2 to display each audio thread in the meter. This was the default up until SONAR 8.3, when the default was changed to 0 (meter shows peak thread load + average of all threads).


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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 17:13:08 (permalink)
Hi Bitflipper - If his OS isn't seeing all available cores, isn't that the main issue.  If Sonar is set to display any number of cores - if the OS isn't seeing them, they won't be utilized by any application, no?  Or am I misunderstanding something?
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 17:19:00 (permalink)
BitFlipper,
started with your post. added in cakewalk.ini the CPUMeterMode=2 did not change anything.
so it probably meens like..

Vanblah is saying. maybe the BIOS is not setup correcly.
AMI BIOS CoreVer 8.00.15
max cpuid limit is DISABLED as it should be
Simultaneous multi threading is ENABLED
Active Porcessor Core is set to ALL
so i did not change a thing there

i have heard somewhere about the core been put asleep by windows7 when not in use could the be a problem in sonar ??
btw please be tolerent with my english as it is not my main language. all my software are installed in english tho :)
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 17:49:13 (permalink)
What motherboard (brand and model) are you using?

Is this a fresh install of Windows 7 or did you upgrade the hardware in an existing installation of Windows 7?  The reason I ask is outlined in this article: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/howto-get-windows-7-to-detect-your-new-multi-core/71519d51-f6cb-47df-b3ff-66c2928d6de4
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 21:02:32 (permalink)
There are a few different versions of Intels Xeon CPU's,interesingly,just one of the new E5-2670 eight core Xeon,is about TWICE the power[and specifically for DAW use using ADKs benching]of a stock i7 2600k!

An i7 2600k is around $300 here,but the E5 2670 xeon is about $1600 + here!!,ouch!!

The second graph down:http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 21:18:49 (permalink)
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By default, SONAR only shows combined usage, not individual cores. It doesn't necessarily mean that all your cores aren't being utilized. It's just a way to scale the metering for systems with 8 or more cores without requiring an excessively large display area.

There is a variable in cakewalk.ini called CPUMeterMode (under the WinCake section). Set it to 2 to display each audio thread in the meter. This was the default up until SONAR 8.3, when the default was changed to 0 (meter shows peak thread load + average of all threads).

Dave - are you sure this is correct info for X1?  I opened the cakewalk.ini file and cannot find this variable.  in fact, there is a "section" called WinCake, but there's nothing under it.
 
I also checked in the Aud.ini and there's nothing there by that name either.

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 21:48:48 (permalink)
Normand: thats core parking .but i dont think thats the issue here !! need board info
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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/17 22:18:03 (permalink)
In case anyone would like to experiment with turning off "core parking"[I have and I get a more even utilisation,both in X1's cpu meter,and task manager]and it's completely "reversible" in case your'e using an earlier version of Sonar,as apparrently "they" worked better with "it" on : http://chuckbam.com/vistaExtreem64/OSNotes64_5.htm

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/18 02:26:45 (permalink)
Normand: Make sure you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard. Which version of Windows 7 are you using? Dual CPU's need professional or ultimate. Home does NOT support dual cpu's...

THe hyperthreaded cores should also show up in task manager. At least, that is what it does on our servers, which have dual xeon hyperthreaded quad cores. I.o.w. you should see 16 CPU's in task manager.

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/18 11:10:39 (permalink)
If his OS isn't seeing all available cores, isn't that the main issue.

Yes, it would be. I'm assuming the motherboard and CPUs are not defective, and the cores are all enabled in the BIOS (which should be the default). The number of cores enabled at the BIOS level is easily determined via Device Manager.


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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/18 11:23:52 (permalink)
Dave - are you sure this is correct info for X1?  I opened the cakewalk.ini file and cannot find this variable.  in fact, there is a "section" called WinCake, but there's nothing under it.

No, I am not sure. In truth, I cannot be sure that any variable in any INI file is recognized by any specific version of SONAR. These files are inherited after each SONAR update, so they may propagate obsolete variables. 

A missing variable isn't necessarily cause for concern, or an indication that it's no longer used. Any missing variable just means the default value is to be assumed. 

I just compared cakewalk.ini in X1's application data folder to the one in 8.5's folder. They are nearly identical; the only difference on my machine is the CPUMeterMode variable isn't in the X1 file. That suggests that I added it myself to the 8.5 version.


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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/18 12:29:15 (permalink)
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Dave - are you sure this is correct info for X1?  I opened the cakewalk.ini file and cannot find this variable.  in fact, there is a "section" called WinCake, but there's nothing under it.

No, I am not sure. In truth, I cannot be sure that any variable in any INI file is recognized by any specific version of SONAR. These files are inherited after each SONAR update, so they may propagate obsolete variables. 

A missing variable isn't necessarily cause for concern, or an indication that it's no longer used. Any missing variable just means the default value is to be assumed. 

I just compared cakewalk.ini in X1's application data folder to the one in 8.5's folder. They are nearly identical; the only difference on my machine is the CPUMeterMode variable isn't in the X1 file. That suggests that I added it myself to the 8.5 version.


I see.  thanks.

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/18 18:35:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Been away for a few days for work,
thx for your help.
 
my cpus are intels xeons E5520 quad cores
so i was expexting 8 bars in sonar performance area.
 
in Windows Task manager i see 2 CPU's
in device manager i see "16" E5520 @ 2.27GHz processors (that would probably be threads)
In sonar X1d build 523 producer expanded preferances>playback and recording the "use multiprocessing engine" is checked.

I would run MSCONFIG to check that Windows is configured to see all processors. Here's an MS how-to. 


http://answers.microsoft....47df-b3ff-66c2928d6de4

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/18 21:23:00 (permalink)
What version of Windows 7 do you have installed?  For a start, any of the home versions only support one physical, socketed CPU.  So you need to be running Professional, Ultimate, or Enterprise edition of Windows 7 to support two physical CPUs.

That doesn't quite explain why you only see two cores, as any version of Windows 7 should have unlimited core support per CPU - but then again, having two CPUs in an OS that doesn't support them may be causing it to be confused about it's core count.

Just a thought...

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Re:Processor's Load on double Xeon quad core system 2012/04/20 12:29:38 (permalink)


FIIIIIINALLY hehehe :-)

To Farrarbc, i followed the like to the HOW TO ... change processor cores. Here is the load in the performance section of sonar. the project running at that moment has 82 tracks with many having many takes. Cleaning has yet to be done but still i thought i had paid for a powerfull machine and reached it's limit already. most of the tracks have the X1 compressor and eq running and many buses with effects and sends. Bbefore this moification I was experiencing a lot of drop outs because sonar was most probably using only 2 cores out of the available cores.

I feel like openning a present for the second time. :)

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