Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST?

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Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST?

The reason I ask is I see here http://blog.cakewalk.com/category/sonar-x2/sonar-x2-feature-peek-sonar-x2/  the Breverb comes both as VST & PC module which could suggest there is still no flexible routing?

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 04:23:27 (permalink)
    FX Chains, as well as multiple instances of external  modules, are in the ProChannel in X2. Blog post coming soon that explains the features and benefits of this, but in short, it takes care of what you want to accomplish. 


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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 04:48:44 (permalink)
    Oh WOW that it is GREAT news! thank you Seth :-)

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 09:15:24 (permalink)
    Oh WOW that it is GREAT news!

     
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 09:22:35 (permalink)
    Awesome!!

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 13:04:46 (permalink)
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 14:17:16 (permalink)
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 14:44:35 (permalink)
    That'll make the FX bin almost redundant for me.
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 14:48:53 (permalink)
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    FX Chains, as well as multiple instances of external  modules, are in the ProChannel in X2. Blog post coming soon that explains the features and benefits of this, but in short, it takes care of what you want to accomplish. 


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    thanks, great new and wanted feature!


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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 14:51:15 (permalink)
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    That'll make the FX bin almost redundant for me.


    I still need to use the Bin for other plugins. But sure, the PRO Channel EQ + Comps and other stuff going warm in my studio too. 


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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 14:51:59 (permalink)
    Hey, that was my idea! http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2408872 Thanks for doing it ;-)
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 15:08:57 (permalink)
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    +3.14159

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    Has anyone ever told you are a little too specific sometimes?

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 15:16:30 (permalink)
    daryl1968 +3.14159 I like pie
    Has anyone ever told you are a little too specific sometimes?

     
     
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    +3.14159

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    Has anyone ever told you are a little too specific sometimes?


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    daryl1968 +3.14159 I like pie
    Has anyone ever told you are a little too specific sometimes?

     
     
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 16:31:36 (permalink)
    Additionally you can drag and drop any VST into the PC and it will automatically turn it into an FXChain module in which you can then map your favorite params to knobs or buttons for quick access.
    In some ways this is better than having the plugin in a bin since its a more compact representation of its UI.


    Or you can drop in an empty fxchain module and use it as a cheap automatable gainstage anywhere within  the PC signal flow.

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 16:43:40 (permalink)
    Well thats going to be a massive step forward for me personally! Thanks cakewalk :-))))))))
     
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 16:57:03 (permalink)
    Or you can drop in an empty fxchain module and use it as a cheap automatable gainstage anywhere within the PC signal flow.

     
    Noel, I don't understand this one...  How can an empty FX Chain do anything?
     
     
    BTW... we'll also be able to drag single plugins into the PC and it will do the required work behind the scenes?   Cool.  
     

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 17:05:49 (permalink)
    After we have the plug-in set, will it retain it's settings after being dropped into the PC?

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 17:09:19 (permalink)
    Noel, I don't understand this one... How can an empty FX Chain do anything?

     
    Never mind...  I forgot that FX Chains have an input and output slider.  
     
    That is a good use though.

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 17:12:03 (permalink)
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    Additionally you can drag and drop any VST into the PC and it will automatically turn it into an FXChain module in which you can then map your favorite params to knobs or buttons for quick access.
    In some ways this is better than having the plugin in a bin since its a more compact representation of its UI.


    Or you can drop in an empty fxchain module and use it as a cheap automatable gainstage anywhere within  the PC signal flow.


    Very cool !

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 17:13:14 (permalink)
    Yes if you drag the plugin from a normal effects bin after its already set up it will retain its settings when dragged and dropped into the PC.

    >>Noel, I don't understand this one...  How can an empty FX Chain do anything? 
    An empty effects chain still has an input gain and an output gain control that is fully active. The chain acts as a pass through if there are no effects but will still respect the input/output gain settings however.
    You can even try this trick in X1 effects chains in the normal effects bin.

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 17:41:03 (permalink)
    Sounds good, Noel. You might even entice this skeptical old dinosaur back on board with this rev.


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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 18:42:37 (permalink)
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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/24 19:18:37 (permalink)
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    Sounds good, Noel. You might even entice this skeptical old dinosaur back on board with this rev.


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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/25 01:03:34 (permalink)
    It depends on what they've done with automation editing. I can't use X1 as it is today.


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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/25 01:05:43 (permalink)
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    Additionally you can drag and drop any VST into the PC and it will automatically turn it into an FXChain module in which you can then map your favorite params to knobs or buttons for quick access.
    In some ways this is better than having the plugin in a bin since its a more compact representation of its UI.


    Or you can drop in an empty fxchain module and use it as a cheap automatable gainstage anywhere within  the PC signal flow.


    that does sound fantastic, and I agree that it will make the bin mostly obsolete for me.

    But here's my question: can I insert the PC modules into the bin as VSTs?  Not that one needs to given the new functionality, except for controllability - Automap, MCU, and friends can handle a bidirectional protocol in a generic way for VST's, and my question really is whether or not the PC modules will expose themselves to these third-party, industry standard (or at least industry leading/best-of-breed) ctlr protocols? 

    Actually I have another question, too, but it's unrelated to this topic, but along with this one being discussed here, will determine whether or not I go to X2:  will we be able to drive the matrix view from a midi track?

    Sorry to change the subject, but the chance to pester Noel about this I could not pass up ;)

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/25 13:29:21 (permalink)
    You can control the PC FXChain modules via ACT for all the assignable parameters.
    So you can insert an effect, map some params to assignable controls and then control those. In a future version we may enhance ACT control of individual fx within a PC fx chain but that part isn't done yet.

    You cannot control the Matrix via a MIDI track yet. However the matrix engine has undergone a massive rewrite and is now hugely improved over X1 and much more accurate. Additionally there are now per cel trigger settings that can override the global settings.

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/25 13:56:17 (permalink)
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    It depends on what they've done with automation editing. I can't use X1 as it is today.

    Automation rendering and editing has undergone huge updates in X2. The biggest ever update in 10 years to that feature area. We also fixed pretty much all the major issues that we knew about. Will write more about it when I get some more time. 
    What specific issues prevent you from using automation in X1?

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    Re:Prochannel in X2 sill no flexible routing with VST? 2012/08/25 16:44:04 (permalink)
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    ...In a future version we may enhance ACT control of individual fx within a PC fx chain but that part isn't done yet...


    Details?
    an ACT overhaul in general? (one of sonars weakest parts)
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