Bristol_Jonesey
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 06:59:56
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For anyone intrerested in ths genre, and it seems like many of you still are, check out an album called "The Sentinel" by a Scottish band called Pallas.
Released in about 1981/2 it tells the story of the rise & fall of Atlantis.
If you can find it - the orignal vinyl cut was a much better mix than the subsequent CD, but the vinyl didn't have all of the tracks which made up the story. For that you had to buy the 12" version of "East West", and the single version of "Arrive Alive" which had the track "March on Atlantis" on the 'B' side.
Unfortunately, the CD remix was absolutely drowned in reverb - somebody did NOT do a very good job on it.
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Johannes H
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 07:23:33
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This is getting interesting!
10CC was mentioned, their song "Feel the benefits" is very prog.
Supertramps album "Crime of the century" is one of my favourite prog albums.
So I geuss there are many bands/artists touching the prog genre.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 08:13:20
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Now Supertramp is prog?????????? My goodness, I remember the week Crime of the Century came out... it certainly wasn't prog back then.
It almost seems like the prog fans are borrowing from the A.O.R. toy chest in an effort to get some street cred. :-)
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 10:13:42
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I agree with Mike. Crime of the Century was release in 1974. In that period those albums were also released :
- "Starless and Bible Black" and "Red" (King Crimson)
- "Relayer" (Yes)
- "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" (Genesis)
- "Brain Salad Surgery" (ELP)
- etc ...
It may sound a little bit prog now, but compared to those album it was pop music. I was a teenager in the 70's and if you want to be considered a prog fan, you better not tell anyone that you actualy like Supertramp (wich I did a lot). 
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 10:18:42
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BRAND X
my all time favorite
do yourself a favor, and check out "Masques"
if you're ever going to trip and listen to something, this is it.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 10:52:02
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BRAND X That's just a bunch of jiggery-pokery. (as Phil Collins put it) But good jiggery-pokery nonetheless. And of course King Crimson is prog-rock pond scum. 
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 10:55:02
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Hi Batsbrew.
Brand X is indeed a great band, but I would categorized them as fusion jazz and not prog rock.
Sometime the line is thin between prog and fusion jazz. I put Brand X with other jazz band like Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, etc.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 11:19:11
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ORIGINAL: alvie
I agree with Mike.
Crime of the Century was release in 1974. In that period those albums were also released :
- "Starless and Bible Black" and "Red" (King Crimson)
- "Relayer" (Yes)
- "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" (Genesis)
- "Brain Salad Surgery" (ELP)
- etc ...
It may sound a little bit prog now, but compared to those album it was pop music. I was a teenager in the 70's and if you want to be considered a prog fan, you better not tell anyone that you actualy like Supertramp (wich I did a lot).
Totally agree with you there Alain. I liked Abba but had to keep quiet about it.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 12:06:53
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Yeah, Prog rock is definitely my favorite form of music. I was surprised to see that no one mentioned The Flower Kings (or maybe I just missed it). They have some stuff that is really fantastic and other stuff that is just plain hard to listen to (even for me- and I'm a fan!). However, check out the album The Rainmaker (released 2001). This whole album is very well done from a recording, mixing and mastering standpoint. If I could record stuff that sounded like *that* all the time, then I would be pretty satisfied. The Rainmaker JV
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batsbrew
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 12:09:49
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to me, Brand X was always more rock, than jazz.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 12:14:43
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Did anyone mention Marillion?
Misplaced Childhood was an absolute masterpiece from beginning to end.
I much preferred that era (and earlier) comapred to their post-Fish material
Script for a Jester's Tear
Fugazi
Misplaced Childhood
Clutching at Straws
Were all very good albums.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 12:20:53
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Looks like it's all been said so I'll just jump on and gain one post by saying:
Yes, Gentle Giant, Zappa, The Real Genesis, ELP et. al. from the 70's.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 13:00:20
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ORIGINAL: Bristol_Jonesey
Did anyone mention Marillion?
Misplaced Childhood was an absolute masterpiece from beginning to end.
I much preferred that era (and earlier) comapred to their post-Fish material
Script for a Jester's Tear
Fugazi
Misplaced Childhood
Clutching at Straws
Were all very good albums.
Yes, I gave 'em a nod earlier in the thread Colin. I like both eras, I agree with you on 'Misplaced Childhood' and the Hogarth-led version of the band did 'Brave' which is one of the most cohesive 'concept albums'  IMO. Fish's solo album 'Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors' is superb stuff too.
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Johannes H
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 13:04:30
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Now Supertramp is prog?????????? My goodness, I remember the week Crime of the Century came out... it certainly wasn't prog back then.
Well, well the prog police has arrived! I may have expressed myself a little unclear, I don`t mean that Supertramp in general is a prog band, but to me Crime of the century is very prog compared to their other albums and I like it as well as I like other types of music. I think there is only one "popish" song on that album and that`s Dreamer." Music genre is alway debatable and I may be wrong, but the bottom line is that music is a personal thing and let`s all respect that.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 13:40:01
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Not sure if they've been mentioned, but I would also add Strawbs (Hero and Heroine) and Uriah Heep (Look At Yourself, Demons and Wizards, Magician's Birthday), and Manfred Mann's Earth Band (Solar Fire, Nightingales and Bombers) all as awesome Prog Rock albums.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 13:40:22
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I agree Johannes, songs like Hide in Your Shell, Rudy and the title track are very prog indeed. They soon moved away from that style though.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 13:43:36
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Well, well the prog police has arrived! Good thing this isn't about New Wave, eh?  Not sure I'd call them prog either - they *were* ugly, that's true. Think that's also part of the story. Some bands just had a good head for radio, and TV was getting big.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 13:59:48
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ORIGINAL: Marah
ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
And Marah - I love you - but while I am a huge Roxy Music fan, I have to put them in Art Rock (early while Eno was still with them) or Glam in their latter days. Then again, I am a bit of a nerd about some parts of Prog.
Yeah, I guess Art Rock is a better category for Roxy, and probably all the ones I mentioned, than Progressive. Different pretensions.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 14:34:14
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ORIGINAL: Johannes H
Well, well the prog police has arrived!
My point was that you seem to not have a clear understanding of what constituted A.O.R. radio pop in the Seventies... and that's cultural history... it shouldn't reflect either of our personal tastes. :-) best, mike
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 15:55:02
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Hi Mike!
I was introduced to "Crime of the century" in the eighties and at the same time I started to listen to bands like Pink Floyd and Yes,
so I geuss that`s my cultural understanding of it. And as I said before I don`t consider Supertramp as a prog band, but I think they are touching it in this album. Anyway thanks for clearing up things since I didn`t listen to prog in the seventies.
Best, Johannes H.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 16:05:34
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Well, also 10CC is not really prog in my mind, but they made some very conceptual stuff - One Night in Paris predates - and even inspired - A Bohemian Rhapsody. But it's not prog. It's very different, but I would still not file it under prog. Some bands have had a few albums that are bordering on it, even hybrid, maybe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY6DHXvgLJ8 [added link]
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 16:46:32
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Hey I can post here. Was locked out of several others. 10cc was a great band. Too many people know them for I'm not in Love (read how they did the harmony vocals on that), but they cranked excellent album after album for a while there - witty yet very musical. I always thought of them as being more vaudevillian. I'm a jumbo jet....Wall St Shuffle...Rock & Roll Lullaby....
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 16:51:33
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I still have Bloody Tourist on Vinyl.
funky stuff.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 17:02:24
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lots of band names being dropped here, that are not prog rock, or fusion...
it's funny tho, a lot of the bands that were called 'prog rock' hated that moniker... and never considered themselves rock..
and others that got called 'jazz rock' or 'fusion', hated THAT, because they considered themselves progressive rockers.
LOL
even jeff beck got thrown into the jazz rock bin, with his wired and blow by blow albums.......!
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 17:02:55
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vaudevillian I like that one It's true, but a hard act to follow, never really cheap. Although I think I could not listen to I'm not in Love for over a decade, at one point. Will check how they did those harmonies, always interesting....
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 17:22:40
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oh then NRBQ is in too right? They had vaudevillian down!
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 17:35:33
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 18:59:39
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ORIGINAL: alvie
I agree with Mike.
Crime of the Century was release in 1974. I gotta agree with alvie and Mike vis a vis Supertramp. To me, they were a pure pop band and darned good at it. I loved "Crime" when it came out----sonically beautiful and fun to listen to. Whatever label is put on it, it's a very cool album, either way. Now, has anyone mentioned pre-Miami Vice Jan Hammer? His album from the mid-'70's called "The First Seven Days" is amazing and certainly should be considered as a prog rock album in my opinion. What Hammer was doing with synths back in the dark ages is nothing short of incredible. Best regards, Bill Edited for typo
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 19:13:10
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Airplane... Jefferson Airplane... Jefferson Starship... Starship the only thing jefferson airplane and airplane had in common was grace slick and i don't know how involved she was with song writing.
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alvie
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/16 19:18:51
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Which band do you think start it all? Some will say that "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" was the first prog album. I think it was more psychedelic rock like the first Pink Floyd album.
For me, the first real prog album was "In The Court Of Crimson King" from King Crimson (in 1969).
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