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Progressive rock
I’m a fan of “progressive rockâ€. I used to listen to the big name in the ’70 and ’80 (Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes, etc.). Now I’m listening to bands like Ayreon, Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, etc. I don’t have the skill to compose and play this kind of music. But I think Sonar should be a great tool to do it. Any prog lover? What is your favourite prog band?
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 09:08:40
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I've always felt that progressive rock was an exploration of how unmusical one can make music sound. I guess I miss the basic rhythmic component... and don't appreciate the fancy meters. Prog rock don't surf! Of course, that's just one persons opinion ;-) best regards, mike
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 09:31:58
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me too! in addition to the ones you named, let's not forget dream theater have a new album out soon (details just released, see their website), other good bands include Seventh Wonder, Andromeda, Threshold, It Bites, Frost*, Magenta, Neal Morse, heavier stuff like Cynic, Ved Buens Ende, Dodheimsgard and Scar Symmetry...yep can't beat a bit of prog!
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 09:42:52
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I'm a big fan of progressive rock and progressive metal. But I'm like you this is not a style of music I'm good at doing myself! Over the last few years, my favorite progressive music has been from OSI (Office of Strategic Influence) w/ Kevin Moore (ex-Dream Theater) and Jim Mattheos (Fates Warning). I've tried to get into Porcupine Tree and Opeth and just haven't been able to really connect with it. I'l have to check out some of the other bands you guys mentioned... Dave www.soundclick.com/steakbone
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 10:22:37
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I have a penchant for the Ozric Tentacles, but I'm not sure how you categorize their music
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 10:31:50
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I like prog rock too. My favourites are Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Mike Oldfield and Yes. All these artists have had long carrers so I don`t like all their albums, but the seventies was the golden age for most of their work. There are other bands I like too, like ELP, Genesis and Junipher Greene.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 10:53:46
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 11:25:05
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 13:10:12
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I'm off to see Asia live next month. Does that count?
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 13:38:38
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I Love Prog Rock, but not the heavy, metallic style. I like the spacey stuff, like Pink Floyd, Hawkwind in the first 5 albums, early Genesis, Be Bop's first 3 (Sunburst Finish being my fav of theirs), Starcastle, early Yes, some Rush, Alan Parsons Project, Kansas, Renassiance, Moody Blues, UK, Zappa ..... To me the BEST proggers combined elements of various musical styles: Rock, Jazz, Classical and came up with something completely new. And I LOVE Long Songs
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alvie
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 13:47:00
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Hi Mike. I agreed that some "proggers" push the limit to far and get too aventurous. The best prog song should be musical.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 13:49:39
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Hi Dave, try Riverside. Especialy their second album - " Second Life Syndrom".
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 13:51:06
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RE: Progressive rock
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 16:18:06
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Prog is my favorite type of music and has been since the 70's! Genesis, PFM, King Crimson, Banco, Camel, ELP, Yes, Gentle Giant, Kansas, FM(the Canadian band, not the UK pop thing), Max Webster, Pink Floyd, National Health, Happy the Man....I could go on and on :) Bill
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 16:49:15
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Thanks for bringing the topic up, Alain. Progressive rock is perhaps the favorite of many genres I listen to. I grew up on a steady diet of classical music, which formed my most basic expectations of what constitutes musical elements. I had almost zero exposure to popular music until I was about 13, when my father introduced me to the Beatles. Brit-pop of that era was very classical in a fundamental way with its strong melodies and pleasant chords. But I soon tired of pop music. A few high points kept my interest alive (e.g. hearing Jimi Hendrix's "Are You Experienced?" or the Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour" for the first time), but the bulk of what was on display at the music store wasn't doing it for me anymore. Then came a life-changing moment, when I first heard "In the Court of the Crimson King". Something switched on in my head. Something that the melodic, even symphonic predecessors such as the Beatles, Moody Blues, Zombies, et al had not triggered. A state of bliss that was instantly addictive. I have been searching for a way to relive that magic moment ever since. Yes, ELP, Rush, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, Genesis, and of course the greatest prog band of all time, Pink Floyd, have from time to time hit that glorious note. But the search continues -- so I am jotting down every unfamiliar reference mentioned here in hopes of finding something new. Some more contemporary favorites of mine are Dream Theater and Nightwish. Another semi-obscure band from the 70's that's worth a listen: Klaatu, out of Toronto IIRC. Three albums that I know of: two imaginative but straightforward rockers and one amazing concept album titled "Hope".
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 16:51:06
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Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft was a hit for them :) Bill
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 17:21:25
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Hi BitFlipper. I'm happy to see that a lot of Cakewalk user like prog music. Here's one of my top 10. It's "L'Heptade" from "Harmonium". It's a band from Québec, Canada. Some people do not like the singer (it's in french by the way), but the music is so great. You can listen a sample on prog archive PS. I agreed about Pink Floyd ("Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is a masterpiece)
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 17:35:00
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Has Steve Hackett been mentioned yet? Elements of early Floyd and Dream Theater, melodic but sonically adventurous.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 17:41:53
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When you mention Genesis you are mentioning Steve Hackett...or you aren't talking about the real Genesis! ;) Bill
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 18:23:11
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper Thanks for bringing the topic up, Alain. Progressive rock is perhaps the favorite of many genres I listen to. I grew up on a steady diet of classical music, which formed my most basic expectations of what constitutes musical elements. I had almost zero exposure to popular music until I was about 13, when my father introduced me to the Beatles. Brit-pop of that era was very classical in a fundamental way with its strong melodies and pleasant chords. But I soon tired of pop music. A few high points kept my interest alive (e.g. hearing Jimi Hendrix's "Are You Experienced?" or the Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour" for the first time), but the bulk of what was on display at the music store wasn't doing it for me anymore. Then came a life-changing moment, when I first heard "In the Court of the Crimson King". Something switched on in my head. Something that the melodic, even symphonic predecessors such as the Beatles, Moody Blues, Zombies, et al had not triggered. A state of bliss that was instantly addictive. I have been searching for a way to relive that magic moment ever since. Yes, ELP, Rush, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, Genesis, and of course the greatest prog band of all time, Pink Floyd, have from time to time hit that glorious note. But the search continues -- so I am jotting down every unfamiliar reference mentioned here in hopes of finding something new. Some more contemporary favorites of mine are Dream Theater and Nightwish. Another semi-obscure band from the 70's that's worth a listen: Klaatu, out of Toronto IIRC. Three albums that I know of: two imaginative but straightforward rockers and one amazing concept album titled "Hope". Hi Dave, Marillion are still chipping away at it, quite a low-key, unassuming band now, they have some sublime moments though. This whole song leads up to a glorious hook-line at 4:42, I think you might like it. Marillion - Go!
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 18:50:18
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ORIGINAL: alvie I’m a fan of “progressive rockâ€. I used to listen to the big name in the ’70 and ’80 (Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes, etc.). Now I’m listening to bands like Ayreon, Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, etc. I don’t have the skill to compose and play this kind of music. But I think Sonar should be a great tool to do it. Any prog lover? What is your favourite prog band? Hi, alvie, I can't say I'm a huge prog rock fan but, as far as '70's era prog bands go, I was a big fan of Yes, especially the albums around the time of Relayer, Tales Of Topographic Oceans and, a bit later, Going For The One. I also appreciate some of the ELP stuff from the early '70's (anyone remember the song "Tank" with all of the panning drums sounds? That song was a mind blower on a really good stereo system. ;>) I also was a big fan of Jethro Tull, though I never really considered them a "prog" band like some folks here seem to. King Crimson left me kind of cold, as did some of the other prog bands that wanted to be more technical than musical, in my mind. Still, I can't fault them, they should be admired for taking the chances they took to expand the rock music genre beyond three chords and a cloud of dust. I'm kind of surprised that, so far, nobody has mentioned Frank Zappa. I can't think of a more progressive rock artist than Zappa, regardless of which band he was doing at any given time. Best regards, Bill
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 19:06:40
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I'd like to point out that even the Pink Floyd liked to point out they were a blues band. It's kinda strange to think they are now thought of as a prog band... cause back in the day when bands like Yes, Tull, and Genesis were pursuing academic and intellectualized composition... it was obvious that Floyd was a jam band deeply rooted in basic pop building blocks. Writing one song with a 7:4 time signature doesn't automatically make you "prog" :-) One thing I've always found curious... If you read interviews about how the early Yes albums were composed they seem to confirm my personal suspicions that the music was never conceived as a whole composition. It just doesn't surf. :-) By most accounts the albums were literally cut and paste together measure by measure in a desperate attempt to assemble enough material to call an album. It sounded different because it was different... it was different because they were rather arbitrary about joining motifs. That's a far cry from truly progressive approach that Miles Davis' Kind of Blue or Charles Mingus' Dynasty introduced to the world of music composition. FWIW, I'm a big King Crimson fan... I think they are unquestionably a "prog" band... but's also easy to see that they incorporate strong rhythmic motifs and have a "world beat" influence that's far richer and diverse than the pure western euro tradition "music academy" style of the early-mid seventies that I think epitomizes the term "progressive rock". Robert Fripp or Adrien Belew can easily collaborate with pop artists... because they are comfortable as pop artists... and I think that is reflected in their own music as well. best regards, mike
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 19:23:16
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+1 on the progarchives site, very cool! I've been youtubing a lot of camel lately. ahhh youtube...brilliant!
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 19:29:30
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Hi Dave, Marillion are still chipping away at it, quite a low-key, unassuming band now, they have some sublime moments though. This whole song leads up to a glorious hook-line at 4:42, I think you might like it i liked the last Fish album too, 13th star. some nice moments on that. i went to the Classic Rock Society Band of the Year gig near Rotherham in January and Steve Hackett was the guest of honour, giving away the prizes...top (prog) bands were It Bites, Pendragon and Frost*...
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 19:31:54
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I was a big fan of most of the progressive groups in the 70s. King Crimson, Gentle Giant, ELP, Yes, (Atomic Rooster, The Ever Expanding Head Band) and the more experimental players too, Fripp, Eno, more than I can recall actually ... In the 80s it was all Windham Hill and chill out tunes for me. I haven't listened to much progressive lately but will mention a Celtic band called IONA, check them out if you can. Quite a diverse band. Often on the mellow side but they can crank it up quite well too. http://www.iona.uk.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XH5DE2tVzo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNwrr39ORgg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNwrr39ORgg&feature=related On the more experimental side, I enjoy listening to Steve Tibbetts (Gotta get more of his stuff) He is a phenomonal guitar player and his percussionist Marc Anderson is amazing too. Great stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGSjTZ3fn6Q&feature=PlayList&p=8A5B4E7FA259A509&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ky6O6VoXV0 and the "Polytown" album with David Torn, Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio is an amazing sonic journey. Actually, come to think of it, progressize music is alive an well at the AbstractLogix site ( http://www.abstractlogix.com/). Large selection and some rare/hard to find albums too.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 19:36:55
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"In the 80s it was all Windham Hill and chill out tunes for me." Michael Hedges was a friend... rest his soul. Scott Cossu (spelling??) used to baby sit my buddies kids... I was acquainted with him... he was fun. Liz Story told great jokes... but she scared me.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 19:38:12
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No ones gonna mention Steve Morse?
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 20:20:52
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I enjoy the Progressive groups of the 60s and 70s where there was more harmonic and melodic content. Yes, Gentle Giant, Tull, ELP, Genesis. The new Progressive bands seem to be Metal in odd time signatures. Don't care for that much.
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RE: Progressive rock
2009/03/14 22:04:22
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I can't think of a more progressive rock artist than Zappa, regardless of which band he was doing at any given time +1 For Zappa.
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