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tanuki_x
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 12:28:28
Project5 was cool while it lasted. For active development, there is always REAPER.
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 12:42:35

ORIGINAL: tanuki_x

Project5 was cool while it lasted....[/url].


Its completely gone now?....No, wait,..its still on my hard drive...

I didn't realize that since project 5 is no longer being developed, that we are unable, or not supposed to use it anymore...
ZuN
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 13:49:17
Wow as other have said I'm a bit sad that development has ended on P5, and I am a bit disappointed with the crossgrade offer to Sonar 8, its no different than my offer from Sonar 3 but whatever the Bakers have to make their money.

I had a feeling this was coming a while back so I took the plunge and bought Ableton Live, which was the closest thing I found to P5 and I love its ability to use multicore CPU's which I didn't think was going to make much of a difference but it totaly does , I would have upgraded to Sonar 8 but for me I didn't feel the Interface was there yet, who knows maybe Sonar 9 will be right for me.

Now I just have to find a way of bribing the Bakers into making PSYN a vsti
auxlen
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 18:38:02
i bought p5 a few days ago...OOPS.
nachivnik
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 18:38:20
If I recall, Psyn appeared as a VSTi in Live -- Live was the only host I could get it to show up as a VSTi. Try scanning it in Live.
Rafsan
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 18:46:05
wow, what a crappy decision to end the development of such a great tool. All it needed was multicore so we don't have to keep freezing tracks.
Even if they had to just make a patch to fix the coding to allow multicore to take effect....it would've been a treat. Cakewalk is loyal to their customers? That's a load of BS. They are too in love with their slutty Sonar. Sonar is the creator of Audio Dropouts....while Project5 was the creator of a 'new thinking' when it comes to Daw/soft synth hosts.
Doesn't really affect me anyways....since i torrented it off the net. And i did that with a sense that this will happen. And boy, what a good decision I made. It took Cakewalk over 3 years to write that little paragraph.
Let me use an analogy here. Sonar is that little insecure whore you see on the streets of downtown at night. It has **** load of flaws but covers itself with makeup (bloated amount of synths and effects) to make it look pleasing to all the horny DAW-men out there.
Sonar already has STD (Audio drop-outs) but i hope it will get AIDS soon and die.
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 18:46:55

ORIGINAL: auxlen

i bought p5 a few days ago...OOPS.


As has been pointed out, it'll always work. The reason we're so peeved is that it's been abandoned within sight of the finish line, so to speak. It's a really great creative tool, and it's a shame that it hasn't been and won't be updated to take advantage of current computers/OSes, and to add or improve a few simple features which would have made it pretty much perfect.

Give it a try. If it's the right tool for you, you'll get a lot of use out of it, at least for a long while. The only real worry is future OS compatibility. I don't know if anyone's tested it with Windows 7, though it runs well in Vista.
candlesayshi
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 18:48:38

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb

I don't know if anyone's tested it with Windows 7.



It runs fine in Windows 7, at least x86. I haven't tried x64.
Brando
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 19:06:11

ORIGINAL: CareyLetendre


ORIGINAL: JoMal

Is there any chance the source code could be handed over to the open source community so that it could be further developed by anyone so inclined? I know it's probably not that simple, but just wondering.




+1

If Cakewalk truly cared about the community they would do as described above.

Carey


Yeah and if GM really cared about its customers they'd give us all a new Pontiac.
They aren't going to give away code that they can use in other software programs including, likely, SONAR.
They don't owe the "community" anything. It's a business - buy or don't buy.
Brando
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 19:10:53

ORIGINAL: Rafsan

...Doesn't really affect me anyways....since i torrented it off the net. And i did that with a sense that this will happen. And boy, what a good decision I made. It took Cakewalk over 3 years to write that little paragraph.
Let me use an analogy here. Sonar is that little insecure whore you see on the streets of downtown at night. It has **** load of flaws but covers itself with makeup (bloated amount of synths and effects) to make it look pleasing to all the horny DAW-men out there.
Sonar already has STD (Audio drop-outs) but i hope it will get AIDS soon and die.



Keep getting your software through cracks and illegal downloads and your PC is likely to do the same. SONAR is a great app - maybe your cracked version wasn't all that.
Rafsan
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 19:18:25
ORIGINAL: Brando

Keep getting your software through cracks and illegal downloads


Will do SIR!

BTW. I have a quad-core with 4 gb of ram even though only 3.25 or so is recognized. But even then, my PC is going strong as ever. If i get a virus, I just reformat..no biggie. Too bad I can't say the same about Cakewalk.

And another thing, it's not a cracked version of sonar that I used....it's the shelf version ...with a used cd-key
post edited by Rafsan - 2009/05/07 19:28:05
Russell.Whaley
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 21:00:48

ORIGINAL: Brando
They aren't going to give away code that they can use in other software programs including, likely, SONAR.
They don't owe the "community" anything. It's a business - buy or don't buy.


They'll have to reconstruct if they do - P5 uses a different code base than Sonar, and they can't just cut and paste.
Brando
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 21:33:32

ORIGINAL: Russell.Whaley


ORIGINAL: Brando
They aren't going to give away code that they can use in other software programs including, likely, SONAR.
They don't owe the "community" anything. It's a business - buy or don't buy.


They'll have to reconstruct if they do - P5 uses a different code base than Sonar, and they can't just cut and paste.



Of course - but I mean logic not specific code. Hopefully they wouldn't just try to cobble in P5 code into their flagship. That doesn't mean that elements such as the Groove Matrix couldn't show up there after re-coding. It's still theirs. Why would they give it away?
Brando
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 21:35:53

ORIGINAL: Rafsan

ORIGINAL: Brando

Keep getting your software through cracks and illegal downloads


Will do SIR!

BTW. I have a quad-core with 4 gb of ram even though only 3.25 or so is recognized. But even then, my PC is going strong as ever. If i get a virus, I just reformat..no biggie. Too bad I can't say the same about Cakewalk.

And another thing, it's not a cracked version of sonar that I used....it's the shelf version ...with a used cd-key


Reformat your happy little life away. Oh - and check the license agreement on that "shelf version" of Sonar you're running, Mr. Clean.
rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 21:38:17
roland down the river...

I believe that the future holds cakewalk by roland doing an about face over the next few years moving towards a proprietary hardware based solution and ceasing pc support. :-)
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 22:16:18
ORIGINAL: rabeach

roland down the river...

I believe that the future holds cakewalk by roland doing an about face over the next few years moving towards a proprietary hardware based solution and ceasing pc support. :-)



Here's why I think you're wrong (even assuming I have money for something like the VStudio. Or any other non-native hybrid solution that Roland/Cakewalk can come up with):

I already own plenty of DSP power in the form of a purpose-built computer.

I already hold a Sonar license.

I already own a soundcard with audio and MIDI ins

I already own a control surface (though I never use it, I've discovered I'm a mouse man)

All of which were chosen carefully to reflect my workflow and what capabilities I need.

How does Cake convince me to sell all of that (at a loss) and then (paying far more than what I would pay to replace what I had 1-for-1) buy a comprehensive solution that is likely both a) to have features I don't need, and b) to not have features I do need, because it was designed to appeal to the most average user they could hypothesize.
rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/07 23:53:14
that would be a tough sell, i don’t see how they could. :-)speculation is what it is. what ever that may mean...it speculation has not been very productive for me so far. but it is entertaining. i’m thinking it probably comes down to where their largest profit margin lies. where ever that may be. i'm guessing with hardware right now. there is still a lot of good to be said about small business models. certainly a lot to be gained from larger models too. it is a strange world. i’m not happy about the dropping of p5 but it is what it is.
Trusty
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 00:57:15
Roland gear depreciates very, very quickly.

Cakewalk cheapens their gear to the point that I would never buy anything "new" from them again, and should I change my mind and stay upgrading my Sonar every now and then, soon enough I will have all their "new" products because eventually, they all get packaged in Sonar.
MurderDethKill
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 02:09:04
ORIGINAL: Rafsan

They are too in love with their slutty Sonar...It has sh*t load of flaws but covers itself with makeup to make it look pleasing to all the horny DAW-men out there.
Sonar already has STD (Audio drop-outs) but i hope it will get AIDS soon and die.


No wonder I kept getting ear-rex-shuns when I used Sonar...WOW![sm=kiss.gif]


[sm=rolleyes.gif]
post edited by MurderDethKill - 2009/05/08 02:17:56
VaporCom
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 10:36:19

ORIGINAL: Rafsan

wow, what a crappy decision to end the development of such a great tool. All it needed was multicore so we don't have to keep freezing tracks.
Even if they had to just make a patch to fix the coding to allow multicore to take effect....it would've been a treat. Cakewalk is loyal to their customers? That's a load of BS. They are too in love with their slutty Sonar. Sonar is the creator of Audio Dropouts....while Project5 was the creator of a 'new thinking' when it comes to Daw/soft synth hosts.
Doesn't really affect me anyways....since i torrented it off the net. And i did that with a sense that this will happen. And boy, what a good decision I made. It took Cakewalk over 3 years to write that little paragraph.
Let me use an analogy here. Sonar is that little insecure whore you see on the streets of downtown at night. It has **** load of flaws but covers itself with makeup (bloated amount of synths and effects) to make it look pleasing to all the horny DAW-men out there.
Sonar already has STD (Audio drop-outs) but i hope it will get AIDS soon and die.


Wow....Strong anger issues.

I also am sad to see it go. I have been more disapointed by the lack of communication Cake showed one of there most loyal support groups. Wait a second, nope, no lip marks on my arse. Should have been in communication with us long ago. Still a bit unhappy about that. On a positive note DA nailed it. I paid a bit more than $150, when it was like $380, but for all the years I got, all the knowledge I learned from it and this forum, and the fact that it still works just fine, good deal in my mind. Cake, thanks for the software.

I still want to kick you in the junk for ignoring us....but best of luck.
CareyLetendre
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 14:11:14
ORIGINAL: Rafsan

Doesn't really affect me anyways....since i torrented it off the net. And i did that with a sense that this will happen. And boy, what a good decision I made.



It's because of idiots like you that P5 got the axe.
post edited by CareyLetendre - 2009/05/08 14:19:50
Rafsan
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 14:45:41

ORIGINAL: CareyLetendre
It's because of idiots like you that P5 got the axe.


And idiots like you will always throw money down the drain on products that can't be trusted.
VaporCom
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 17:25:54
Rafsan



I have came hear for along time. Can't ever say I remember you contributing anything, or any of your music. But, now all of a sudden your upset, and because your stolen software is no longer being developed. You are some kind of a$$-hat. Go suck at life elsewhere.
post edited by VaporCom - 2009/05/08 17:36:03
xylyx
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 17:39:31
You should see his post over on the Orion forum, kicking off about how Cakewalk rip people off and aren't loyal to their customers. Wonder why he's so upset when he isn't one of their P5 customers...it also makes you wonder whether he has bothered to buy Orion or found some way to justify getting that for free too.

Anyway, been a while since we had a troll around here, so I guess we were due another one...
CareyLetendre
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 18:43:21

ORIGINAL: Rafsan


ORIGINAL: CareyLetendre
It's because of idiots like you that P5 got the axe.


And idiots like you will always throw money down the drain on products that can't be trusted.


There is absolutely no justification for your actions.

Carey
Willdabeast
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 19:48:01
Project5 had by far the smoothest, most versatile interface. Less is more, which is something these other companies just do not understand. I got p5 in 2004, and it has been literally all ive needed to make beats since. (besides soundforge for editing wav files). Sonar is a clumpy mess which i only use for recording lyrics on the beats i make in p5. I say, if it isnt completely dedicated to music creation, im not makin beats with it. If you guys dont create a new program in the future based largely off P5, im movin to image-line. And thats a sad day in hell.
mumpcake
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 19:56:01

ORIGINAL: VaporCom

Rafsan



I have came hear for along time. Can't ever say I remember you contributing anything, or any of your music. But, now all of a sudden your upset, and because your stolen software is no longer being developed. You are some kind of a$$-rod. Go suck at life elsewhere.


Fixed that
kb420
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 21:26:39
So this is it. Finally some closure on the development of P5.

Wow!

It sure took long enough for Cakewalk to finally admit what most of us had come to accept as the truth. P5 could have been just as big as Reason or Live with periodic development.

What a waste!

I'm glad I jumped ship when I did. It wasn't easy switching from P5's workflow to Sonar's and then Live's, but it was well worth it. I like to know that the product that I am using will continue to grow and stay current with support and development. P5 never really had that.

It is what it is!



These are my next two purchases:






Ableton Live 8 Suite.
Akai APC 40
Akai MPC 5000 with OS2.

Ultimate workflow. No limitations.
Rafsan
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/08 21:58:33
ORIGINAL: VaporCom

Rafsan



I have came hear for along time. Can't ever say I remember you contributing anything, or any of your music. But, now all of a sudden your upset, and because your stolen software is no longer being developed. You are some kind of a$$-hat. Go suck at life elsewhere.


If you wanted to hear some tracks i did, all you had to do was ask. Well, here's the link www.myspace.com/sevengreenlights
I'm not upset at all really. To me it seems like all the name calling like 'a$$-hat, a$$-rod' just makes you seem pretty low, since i'm not really the first one to strike out at someone i don't even know with such profanity.

Go suck at life? HAHA that's a good one....i won't even touch on this to embarass you, since i'm very satisfied with my life. Music is just a hobby of mine, hence i don't blow hundreds of dollars on software. You go ahead and ride the bandwagon of all those who get taken advantage of by the music industry and software companies. They like to throw the fishing rod with a bait inside your pocket...and your wallet takes the bite. Who's the sucker in the end?

For me, learning synthesis and the technical side of sound engineering was what hooked me into this. And why should knowledge have a monetary value put on it? Which is why i download programs and tutorials & i learn how to design my own sounds, learn the programs inside/out, synthesis, mastering, etc. And in the end, i keep the knowledge in my head and i lose nothing but gain quite alot really.

So you go right ahead and say what you will to me. To me you're just another of many forum people whom i'll never meet in real life.

Peace
post edited by Rafsan - 2009/05/08 22:08:51
darlomrh
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 03:12:51
Rafsan:

Why are you here?

I get that you think Cake are bunch of rob-dogs but you haven't parted with your hard earned cash, so why should you give a... that Project 5 development has ceased.

And why should knowledge have a monetary value put on it?
Why should Software Developers/Hardware makers release the products they have spent years in R&D etc for free? Last time I checked Cakewalk was not a registered charity.

Cheers






Markus Copol
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 04:05:01
I usually never complain , but am out of words here. Cakewalk offering me $249 as a loyal p5 customer while I can get a better deal by upgrading my Sonar6 producer to 8 which I really want at $179. It is like a slap in the face. No complaining ,but you could have done better . You were better off not offer anything at all. It feels like you want more money .....
EarthBound
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 07:04:51
Project 5, in fact, changed my life. It was a re-introduction into recording like nothing I'd ever experienced. I was writing/recording entire songs in a day and my friends were amazed...as was I. I bought Dim-Pro, upon the advice of others and my taste of it with the LE version, no complaints there! With such a great luck with the first two purchases, I laid down for Sonar Homestudio XL 6 . . . this is when I got nervous . . . where was the intuitive layout ? I was lost, but determined that it must be fantastic, I was just missing the obvious...years later, I'm still missing it, evidently. It's on my hard-drive, but I don't bother, a wast of money for me, I must be too dense. Meanwhile, my songs are played by universities, and net radio programs [bumper music ! ] all thanks to P5 2.5 .

Multi-core would have been the girft that kept giving. Rats. I'm not impressed with their decision. Some folks here that I respect are just fine with the loss despite their love for our little program, but I'm not that "big" about it. I hate this ending so freaking close to being the best. Again, Rats !!!!

I'll run P5 till it doesn't make sense to anymore. I don't like 'LIVE' or 'Reason' or 'Fruity' or 'Sonar' or 'Tracktion' or however it's spelled.

Thank you, you folks who originated the "project fiver", you were the best, IMHO.

I have one last request . . . please impress me and come up with something even better, and please don't have it be Sonarish . . .

Cheers, Mia
post edited by EarthBound - 2009/05/09 07:05:52
Rafsan
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 13:59:19
ORIGINAL: darlomrh
Rafsan:

Why are you here?


Last I remember, this is a public forum. Do I need a retinal scan or perhaps a barcode on my forehead?

ORIGINAL: darlomrh
I get that you think Cake are bunch of rob-dogs but you haven't parted with your hard earned cash, so why should you give a... that Project 5 development has ceased.


Don't assume what I think if you don't even know who I am. What are you, some kind of telepathic mind reader? Maybe I should call you psycho-mantis from now on.

I gave a ... because I liked the innovative thinking on Cakewalk's part on this particular product. I don't hate the company, I just hate the fact that they stopped developing such a great product, which could've been unique ... like propellerheads did with Reason.

ORIGINAL: darlomrh
And why should knowledge have a monetary value put on it?
Why should Software Developers/Hardware makers release the products they have spent years in R&D etc for free? Last time I checked Cakewalk was not a registered charity.


Who said anything about opening a charity foundation? I never expected Cakewalk to open their hearts to all the unfortunate in this world and drop packaged rapture, project5, sonar bundles by airplane on behalf of United Nations.
Again...read what i clearly said. I was talking strictly about knowledge, not their product. Do you go outside and pay the Earth to gain first hand knowledge about nature or to admire God's creation? I doubt that you do. The Library comes to my mind. When you 'borrow' books to aquire knowledge, do you pay the librarian everytime you do so?

But to make my last point, there are developers who release their products for free. Buzz & Reaper come to mind? And both of their developers have gained the heart of many producers/musicians.

If Cakewalk really cared about it's customers like they claim, they wouldn't have taken over three years to tell you that they don't really care about project5 anymore. I saw pages after pages, people asking for a multicore support, that's all. They didn't even respond to most of the requests. Only some words on the sticky when they feel like coming out of the closet. But hey, who am I to talk? I don't own any of their products. I'm just a technical geek who likes to learn the ways of the music softwares in the world today.

So, next time don't assume what I think...k?
post edited by Rafsan - 2009/05/09 14:16:07
kitekrazy
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 14:10:44

ORIGINAL: rabeach

roland down the river...

I believe that the future holds cakewalk by roland doing an about face over the next few years moving towards a proprietary hardware based solution and ceasing pc support. :-)



Yeah that really worked for Pro Tools. I would bet Cakewalk has a large share of the hobbyist market. Abandon them then apply for economic stimulus.
kitekrazy
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 14:19:45
ORIGINAL: xylyx

You should see his post over on the Orion forum, kicking off about how Cakewalk rip people off and aren't loyal to their customers. Wonder why he's so upset when he isn't one of their P5 customers...it also makes you wonder whether he has bothered to buy Orion or found some way to justify getting that for free too.

Anyway, been a while since we had a troll around here, so I guess we were due another one...


I think Cakewalk is very loyal to it's customers. Let's start with the authorization process. They say, "I trust you".
One of their top questions in their surveys is "does authorization influence your purchase".

An upgrade path to the big wopper S8PE for $249 seems to be loyal. I can't upgrade to any of the competitors for that with the same bells and whistles.

Hopefully the mods will remove that troll.
post edited by kitekrazy - 2009/05/09 14:30:58
kitekrazy
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 14:24:38

ORIGINAL: Markus Copol

I usually never complain , but am out of words here. Cakewalk offering me $249 as a loyal p5 customer while I can get a better deal by upgrading my Sonar6 producer to 8 which I really want at $179. It is like a slap in the face. No complaining ,but you could have done better . You were better off not offer anything at all. It feels like you want more money .....


Yeah with Sonar you are moving laterally while P5 to S8 is a bigger step up.
kitekrazy
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 14:41:56

ORIGINAL: Rafsan



But to make my last point, there are developers who release their products for free. Buzz & Reaper come to mind? And both of their developers have gained the heart of many producers/musicians.

If Cakewalk really cared about it's customers like they claim, they wouldn't have taken over three years to tell you that they don't really care about project5 anymore. I saw pages after pages, people asking for a multicore support, that's all. They didn't even respond to most of the requests. Only some words on the sticky when they feel like coming out of the closet. But hey, who am I to talk? I don't own any of their products. I'm just a technical geek who likes to learn the ways of the music softwares in the world today.

So, next time don't assume what I think...k?





1. Reaper is not free. Read the EULA. $250 for a commercial license. $50 for non commercial license.
2. Buzz -It's almost dead. It's not being developed any more.

Multi core support is a very only valid statement. They probably would have to redo the whole thing for that.

Try talking instead of trolling. Your stay will probably be short since you admitted to using cracks. For some your stay will never be short enough,
candlesayshi
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 14:47:03

ORIGINAL: kitekrazy

2. Buzz -It's almost dead. It's not being developed any more.



You haven't heard? The guy who created it found a copy of the source code that was from a few months prior to the last release and he's been working on Buzz 2.0 ever since.

(I know this because one of the fellow mods on the forum I moderate is a Buzz fanatic)
kitekrazy
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 15:10:59

ORIGINAL: candlesayshi


ORIGINAL: kitekrazy

2. Buzz -It's almost dead. It's not being developed any more.



You haven't heard? The guy who created it found a copy of the source code that was from a few months prior to the last release and he's been working on Buzz 2.0 ever since.

(I know this because one of the fellow mods on the forum I moderate is a Buzz fanatic)


No I haven't. I'm a member of the yahoo group and must have missed it. Just checked the jeskola site and it appears a beta was updated at the end of last month.
Rafsan
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 15:35:28

ORIGINAL: kitekrazy

Hopefully the mods will remove that troll.



I hope so too. Truth of the matter is Cakewalk doesn't care what I think of them or their products. Too bad your beloved Cakewalk removed Project5 before removing me from this forum. That should open up your eyes to the fact that they don't even monitor the forums to gain feedbacks. They are laughing behind your back and rigging in the cash while you and your Cakewalk worshippers hold hands together and sing the 'kumbaya'.
darlomrh
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 18:51:56

Rafsan:


Don't assume what I think if you don't even know who I am. What are you, some kind of telepathic mind reader? Maybe I should call you psycho-mantis from now on.

I gave a ... because I liked the innovative thinking on Cakewalk's part on this particular product. I don't hate the company, I just hate the fact that they stopped developing such a great product, which could've been unique ... like propellerheads did with Reason.


Yes it is a public forum and we live in a free world yada yada....

My point is this: I have paid for P5 v1 and V2 and yes P5 was innovative in certain ways. You haven't parted with hard earned $$ for Project 5 so what gives you the right to spout with such vitriol cakes wrong doings.


Who said anything about opening a charity foundation? I never expected Cakewalk to open their hearts to all the unfortunate in this world and drop packaged rapture, project5, sonar bundles by airplane on behalf of United Nations.
Again...read what i clearly said. I was talking strictly about knowledge, not their product. Do you go outside and pay the Earth to gain first hand knowledge about nature or to admire God's creation? I doubt that you do. The Library comes to my mind. When you 'borrow' books to aquire knowledge, do you pay the librarian everytime you do so?



Yes but a Library operates in the sense you acknowledge the publishing laws around the item that you borrow.

You are inferring that you download the software to gain knowledge, when really you are walking into a book store and doing a bit of shoplifting and then coming back a month or so later to moan to the store's customer service department about how they do business.

rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 22:08:32
i agree with your philosophy but not with your methodology. but what impact does that have on you; none. and should it; no. i believe dinosaurs should be eaten not sustained. but in a world where dinosaurs rule watch your back you are food. :-)
rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 22:14:12
Multi-core would have been the girft that kept giving. Rats. I'm not impressed with their decision. Some folks here that I respect are just fine with the loss despite their love for our little program, but I'm not that "big" about it. I hate this ending so freaking close to being the best. Again, Rats !!!!

we have been ignored by a dinosaur who can only care about it's own sustainability. it is not right and every p5 user should admit it is not right. i dream of dino burgers roasting on a open fire. :-) nice dinosaur that's a good boy a little to the left now....
post edited by rabeach - 2009/05/09 22:23:01
rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 22:21:30

Yeah that really worked for Pro Tools. I would bet Cakewalk has a large share of the hobbyist market. Abandon them then apply for economic stimulus.

protools is not forever.. they almost went under in 94.
it is about profit margin not what has gone before.
small model...large model
market share....potential market share
the profit margin for hardware can be much greater than software.
imho microsoft is the exception for obvious reasons.
kitekrazy
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/09 22:45:56

ORIGINAL: rabeach


Yeah that really worked for Pro Tools. I would bet Cakewalk has a large share of the hobbyist market. Abandon them then apply for economic stimulus.

protools is not forever.. they almost went under in 94.
it is about profit margin not what has gone before.
small model...large model
market share....potential market share
the profit margin for hardware can be much greater than software.
imho microsoft is the exception for obvious reasons.



Ok.....I wonder if Cakewalk would take you advice and get rid of everything except for the V700 or whatever it is.
rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 00:02:06
it is speculation nothing more not advice. maybe cakewalk does not call the shots anymore. large business model small business model?
Marah
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 00:29:32
Pro Tools has the most powerful brand name in DAWdom. Among lay people, 'Pro Tools' is the generic term for 'recording on a computer'.

I would love to see a breakdown of sales for the various versions of the various DAWs that more or less compete with each other, by OS/platform. Would also love seeing what upgrade patterns were like. (Well. 'love' might be overstating things... but I'm interested in this stuff.)

It seems unlikely that CW would do the integrated-hardware thing only. But it's not just CW, it's also Roland, and they specialize in that.

Hardware integration offers a kind of consumer 'lock-in' that software alone can't. It produces a different customer relationship and a different business model. It can be difficult to bridge the two models.

The VS Studio line is an effort to do that. It also functions as a port, of sorts, to the Mac, especially for those already using integrated systems.

Based on what we can see from the outside, the problem CW has is that its top of the line product is software only and is showing its age. It works fine, and you can do great work on it. But as standalone software, it will increasingly drive an upgrade model, based on existing rather than new users. That isn't sustainable.

The combined business and technology environment that CW operates in has drastically changed over the 15+ years that Sonar has been in development. So have the decision-making criteria for those just starting out, whether they think of themselves as hobbyists or as low-budget pros. Existing upgraders are a different story. But not all of them will stay on the train forever.
post edited by Marah - 2009/05/10 00:41:06
PaintedBlue
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 03:06:52
I guess that it is time to finally take off this Project5 T-Shirt and begin looking for a replacement T-Shirt.
rabeach
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 04:24:49
human being did not exist in the English lexicon until Sioux, commonly known as the Lakota, Nakota and Dakota Nation language among the indigenous people of the north american continent was translated into english. peace to you and to all your relations. :-) dino burgers... lol... leave it to an enemy to label a proud human being, a member of the first nation, a dog by giving them the name sioux....i apologize for the absurd serendipitous synchronicity....pardon me Godzilla approaches...
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 19:19:03

ORIGINAL: PaintedBlue

I guess that it is time to finally take off this Project5 T-Shirt and begin looking for a replacement T-Shirt.


My P5 shirt didn't really fit when I got it. Then it shrunk. I'd look like Phillip Seymour Hoffman in "Boogie Nights" if I wore it now...
VaporCom
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:08:21

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb


ORIGINAL: PaintedBlue

I guess that it is time to finally take off this Project5 T-Shirt and begin looking for a replacement T-Shirt.


My P5 shirt didn't really fit when I got it. Then it shrunk. I'd look like Phillip Seymour Hoffman in "Boogie Nights" if I wore it now...



Ahhh...the real reason they pulled the plug. They saw you protesting in that shirt and said DONE.
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:12:15
I think the best protest I could possibly make at this turn of events is to finish my album, "This Earth" made almost entirely in P5, and release it.
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:13:20
Well, that and this new avatar



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Digital Aura
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:36:32

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb

I think the best protest I could possibly make at this turn of events is to finish my album, "This Earth" made almost entirely in P5, and release it.


There seems to be a lot of this happening this week! LOL. Nice one Dave! where is it? I would like to nab this!
VaporCom
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:47:00
I like the casket. I had to put a new one as well. Sooner or later we all get the red ring of death.
post edited by VaporCom - 2009/05/10 21:55:27
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:48:57

ORIGINAL: Digital Aura


ORIGINAL: agincourtdb

I think the best protest I could possibly make at this turn of events is to finish my album, "This Earth" made almost entirely in P5, and release it.


There seems to be a lot of this happening this week! LOL. Nice one Dave! where is it? I would like to nab this!


It's coming, it's coming
VaporCom
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 21:48:59
Who is the contact for the p5 radio. I would like to send some stuff over.
b rock
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 22:01:07
Well, that and this new avatar
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 23:57:15

ORIGINAL: VaporCom

Who is the contact for the p5 radio. I would like to send some stuff over.


http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1665153
agincourtdb
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RE: Project5 Development Ending 2009/05/10 23:58:16

ORIGINAL: VaporCom

I like the casket. I had to put a new one as well. Sooner or later we all get the red ring of death.


I like the P5 RROD... nice idea.
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