Project5 similar to Reaktor5?

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2009/07/15 00:51:45 (permalink)

Project5 similar to Reaktor5?

Komplete 5 is bundled with Reaktor5 and I'm not sure if its needed if I already have Project5. Native Instruments also has a bundle called Komplete Synths without Reaktor5 for $299. I'm sure most of you are aware of the Komplete5 July offer of $399. Not sure if I want to spend an extra $100 for Reaktor that is a synth studio (from the description that I read) similar to Project5.

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    muso_price
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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 04:25:06 (permalink)
    Project 5 is a DAW. Reaktor is not. You will not be buying anything similar to Project 5 if you include Reaktor.

    Check it out first if you're not sure. If you downlooad the manual and browse through it you'll soon realise what Reaktor is all about.

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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 07:56:18 (permalink)

    The Komplete 5 offer is probably the bargain of the new century (and that includes PSP Nitro for $10).
    If you understood what Reaktor 5 is, you'd want it; you'd want the whole Komplete package and about 6 months of free time to explore.

    There's no overlap with P5 (aside from the use of the number '5')




     


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 08:52:00 (permalink)
    The Komplete 5 offer is probably the bargain of the new century

    Even more so if you're living in America.

    399.00 USD = 242.86 GBP (Live rates at 2009.07.15 12:37:54 UTC )
    399.00 EUR = 562.09 USD (Live rates at 2009.07.15 12:45:54 UTC)
    399.00 EUR = 341.754 GBP (Live rates at 2009.07.15 12:53:54 UTC)


    Recent email from NI get Komplete 5 for £333, that's £91 more!!

    It's still a bargain at these prices, but you can see why UK buyers often feel hard done by.



    post edited by muso_price - 2009/07/15 08:55:44

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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 09:04:43 (permalink)

    I'm sure the 399 euros or 399 dollars or 399 GBP (if that's what the recent e-mail said)
    makes somebody's job easier
    but it's a bit arbitrary, but then it is in keeping with the 'insane' offer

    Now that I've seen the new NI website that confirms use of the word insane in this promotion
    I've also seen how they slip Kore into the whole promotion

    now it makes sense Komplete is over, going forward it's all about Kore
    I didn't understand this at first, but there is a free software Kore player available for those who don't want to commit to hardware



     


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 11:44:23 (permalink)
    Well there's the free version, Kore Player, as well as the Kore Software Edition.

    I always thought the free player was more about selling the soundpacks, so that NI could have offerings at the lower end of the market.
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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 12:21:59 (permalink)
    ok now I'm confused again

    what's the differnce between the free version Kore Player and Kore Software Edition?

    ability to edit

    This pretty much explains it

    http://kore.noisepages.com/2008/09/02/new-kore-pricing-models-software-only-edition-sounds-bundled-together-explained/



    post edited by wrench45us - 2009/07/15 12:25:10


     


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 13:52:07 (permalink)
    ok I'll check out that Komplete5 package with Reaktor5. Looks like Reaktor alone runs $399. So it sounds like some of you already have the Komplete package. So how do you like it? Does it integrate well with Sonar and also Project5? or is it recommended to use the package on its own. btw, is Reaktor geared towards the production engineer? hence the "make your own instruments".

    so where can I get this free Kore player? sounds like the better route to save some money.
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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/15 18:56:35 (permalink)
    My komplete package just came but I hav nt installed anything yet waiting for my 500gb hard drive to turn up for enough space it, im itching to play with it, it looks awsome cannot wait to get into it, Im still not sure what reaktor really is and how it works some kinda weird sound design thing with loads of gadgets sounds wicked.

    Someone told me to try and get someone to send komplete as a gift from america apparently you can dodge the import taxes if its sent as a gift and get it £100 quid cheaper but I had already sent for it, I cudda done that aswel, oh well still a bargain at this price but the americans are lucky to get there gear so cheap.

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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/16 16:14:24 (permalink)
    I don't have the whole Komplete package, but I have some of the things in it... So, I can speak for Reaktor, because I use that one the most...

    ORIGINAL: syntheticpop

    Does it integrate well with Sonar and also Project5?


    Yeah, definitely. You can open it with almost complete functionality as a DXi, DXfx, VST, or VSTi right in SONAR or Project5, just like any other synth or effect. I use Reaktor a lot, and it's certainly integrated just fine.

    ORIGINAL: syntheticpop

    btw, is Reaktor geared towards the production engineer? hence the "make your own instruments".


    Hmmm.... Well, I call Reaktor a "sound design workstation", as it can create or process sounds completely from scratch in almost any way you can imagine. Though, with that comes an absolutely atrocious learning curve.


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/16 16:24:00 (permalink)
    Hmmm.... Well, I call Reaktor a "sound design workstation", as it can create or process sounds completely from scratch in almost any way you can imagine. Though, with that comes an absolutely atrocious learning curve.


    before we go off on another mis-interpretation

    Reaktor can be used to create brand new synths and effects -- in a modular manner with pre-existing components supplied by NI -- some people know how to do this and some people enjoy a bit of this. It takes some understanding and it takes some learning

    But if one is content to use existing ensembles, Reaktor comes wih a great many and a very great many more are available from the user's community library or whatever they call it -- made by people who range from brilliant to just a little better than you and me


    at one time NI made a distinction between Reaktor 'products' that could be used to build new ensembles and a model that could just use existing ensembles, but they stopped doing that some time ago -- now everybody can build new ensembles or tweak existing ones with what ships, but you don't have to.




     


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/16 16:33:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wrench45us

    But if one is content to use existing ensembles, Reaktor comes wih a great many and a very great many more are available from the user's community library or whatever they call it



    Ah, well, of course. Right and true.


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/16 17:18:00 (permalink)
    ok, lets say if I don't have time to create new instruments and sound design with Reaktor, what can I use Reaktor for? Is it also a virtual instrument with presets like Rapture that can also be tweaked for the project? So these ensembles are they additional patches or are they new instruments that users have created? Candlesayshi, I'm not up for an atrocious learning curve. Sonar, Rapture and Project5 will keep me busy as far as the learning goes. So minus going through Reaktors atrociouslearning curve, can Reaktor be used right out of the box?
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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/16 17:35:24 (permalink)
    Reaktor comes with quite a few ensembles for both instruments and effects, and you can download hundreds of others from the NI website. All you need to do is patch in Reaktor like any other vST, open an ensemble, and you are ready to go.
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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/16 20:22:14 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: syntheticpop

    ok, lets say if I don't have time to create new instruments and sound design with Reaktor, what can I use Reaktor for? Is it also a virtual instrument with presets like Rapture that can also be tweaked for the project? So these ensembles are they additional patches or are they new instruments that users have created? Candlesayshi, I'm not up for an atrocious learning curve. Sonar, Rapture and Project5 will keep me busy as far as the learning goes. So minus going through Reaktors atrociouslearning curve, can Reaktor be used right out of the box?


    Yes, you can use it right out of the box. It comes with a nice library of pre-made ensembles. Lots of great instruments and effects. Ensembles are made by people or NI and open within Reaktor, yes.

    Hmmm.... Though ensembles aren't really patches in the strict sense of the term. Think of them more as environments. For instance, most of the ensembles that come with Reaktor are environments containing one instrument, or one effect, but it isn't limited to that. An ensemble can be an entire environment containing a whole chain of instruments and effects, and each of those instruments and effects can have their own set of patches, which in Reaktorspeak would be "Snapshots".


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    RE: Project5 similar to Reaktor5? 2009/07/17 14:44:39 (permalink)
    Ok, Reaktor is actually starting to sound enticing and doesn't sound anything like what I'm hearing about Project5. Ensembles does sound sinilar to P5's device chains but I haven't spent too much time using P5 when I originally had it installed. I'm thinking about picking up that Kompete5 package, great deal going on but my fear has been that it may be overkill and that it may have instruments and effects that overlap Sonar's. But from the sound of things, Project5 and Sonar doesn't have anything similar to Reaktor? I just hope that I will be able to make use of it and the rest of the Komplete5 package beyond what's already a part of Project5 and Sonar. Any Komplete users who would highly recommend it that thinks it complements Project5 and Sonar?
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